“Invented People”

Some may be familiar by now with controversial remarks made to an obscure Jewish cable TV channel last week by current Republican frontrunner Newt Gringrich while desperately trolling for the wingnut evangelical vote in Iowa, declaring that Palestinians are “an invented people” – essentially, nothing but a deceitful, illegitimate fabrication of the pernicious “liberal media”… Or something along those lines.

As I understand the crux of Newt’s argument, it’s that “Palestine” never existed as an independent nation-state, but was only a vague regional sub-set of the Ottoman Empire populated by generic “Arabs” with no particular ties or rights to the land they happened to inhabit and reside in at the time the Ottoman hegemony collapsed after WWI and the area in question was carved up by Britain and France… Therefore, they have no legitimate standing as a distinct group of people.

Some Christian commenters sympathetic to the Zionist cause have further embellished Newt’s assertion by selectively mining the etymology of the word “Palestinian” to purport that this refers to “Land of the Philistines” (a derogative slur they claim was attributed to the region by the Roman Emperor Hadrian) and therefore, according to some convoluted logical leaps and bounds, as the current residents of the area are not ancient “Philistines” then they must ipso facto, ergo sum be “invented”… QED.

According to this same standard, I’m curious as to what other people may have been arbitrarily “invented”… Americans, for example. Or for that matter the “English” or the “French”… For goodness sake, at some point or other, isn’t just about anybody part of an “invented people” in some respect?

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26 responses to ““Invented People”

  1. maybe he means palestine’s twitter followers are invented….

    KEvron

  2. Who knows? Maybe he wants them to work on his futuristic lunar mining colony… It’s hard to know what goes on in the bizarre Mind of Newt… a place where desperately poor black children spawned by layabout welfare queens and thieving gangstas with no work ethic are recruited to supplant lazy, fat-cat, commie-pinko, unionized janitors… In Newt’s Amazing Tomorrow Land – absolutely ANYTHING could happen!

  3. Thomas Jefferson

    “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

    Zuheir Mohsen (Arabic: زهير محسن, also transcribed Zuhayr Muħsin or Zahir Muhsein) (b. 1936, d. July 26, 1979) was a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria as-Sa’iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979. Previously active as a refugee in the Jordanian wing of the Baath Party, he was chosen for this position after defense minister Hafiz al-Assad’s 1969-1970 takeover in Syria, which he had supported against the previously dominant regime of Salah Jadid. Mohsen was also a member of the National Command of the Syrian-based Baath Party.[1]

    I believe Zuheir and I really believe his message. There is no such thing as a Palestinian people. Read the quote above.

  4. Sorry, but I don’t respond to cut-n-paste bullshit (another classic signature of a TROLL, btw).

  5. Thomas Jefferson

    Okay then.

    Zuheir Mohsen was a Palestinian leader who said the following,

    “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.”

    Do you agree with his quote above?

  6. Big deal. You cleaned up your cut-n-paste a little bit. Super-duper “Mr. Jefferson”! But at the end of the day, you’re still quoting verbatim an obscure pan-Arabist Ba’athist nutcase to support a nonsensical position adopted for utterly cynical reasons by a slimy douchebag named Newton Leroy Gingrich.

    Walk tall anonymous trolling “freedom fighter”… walk tall.

  7. Thomas Jefferson

    “obscure pan-Arabist Ba’athist nutcase”.

    If you said that in Palestine, you would have your head cut off.

    Funny eh?

  8. trainman

    RT, whether it’s your hyperbole or TJ’s cut-and-paste, it doesn’t really matter. The point is that this quote strongly supports the idea that there is no such thing as a Palestinian state.

    If you disagree, fine–but what is your support for the existence of such a state?

  9. I am a firm supporter of Israel, and her right to exist.

    However, practicality and reason would indicate that the aspirations of the self-identifying “Palestinians” are ignored to the peril of others in the region. The question is not “Why Palestine” ? But rather, “How & Where Palestine”? Jordan could surely help answer such questions – but refuses to be helpful in the matter.

  10. Thomas Jefferson

    It’s obvious that it is going to take a complete all out war for this issue to be resolved.

    It’s only a matter of time.

  11. tofkw

    Particularly when the largest segment of Jordanian citizens are Palestinian. Oh, but they aren’t a real people, are they? Just like Poles were a fake people until Poland was created in 1919.

    I’m curious how people like Newt (or parrots like Jefferson) rationalize the existence of all the world maps published prior to 1947 that list the region clearly as Palestine?

  12. Thomas Jefferson

    “Just like Poles were a fake people until Poland was created in 1919.”

    Let’s look at it this way. If the Palestinians do indeed have a claim to that land, then surely the natives in Canada have the right to engage in bombings and other acts to reclaim what is now Canada.

    The current Palestinian people are being used by all Arab states as pawns against Israel. The Lebanese treat the Palestinians worse than Israel. Not just that, but most live in horrendous conditions which means Arab states want it that way.

  13. Craig Chamberlain

    Next week, someone will walk through that door and suggest Americans are an invented people.

  14. tofkw

    “Let’s look at it this way. If the Palestinians do indeed have a claim to that land, then surely the natives in Canada have the right to engage in bombings and other acts to reclaim what is now Canada.”

    Silly comparison. No one has any right to engage in violence, and anyone who does is a criminal who deserves the full brunt of the law. Any political or religious motives are a smoke screen. Also, native Canadians legally negotiated and sold away most of their land, so there is no way for them to reclaim it all back. As Tim Horton’s widow found out, once you’ve legally sold something, it can’t take it to court to re-negotiate just because you fucked it up.

    Back to Palestine, as with Aeneas I am a strong supporter of Israel. However for a secure and peaceful Israel to exist, a secure and peaceful Palestine must be created as well. The way towards a 2-state solution is incredibly complex, but it is the only way Israel will even know peace and security. And mocking Palestinians by claiming they are an invented people is a monumentally counterproductive way of reaching this goal.

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  16. Craig Chamberlain

    You’d expect Gringrich to know that there is no such thing as an obscure television station when you’re the Republican frontrunner speaking on pretty much anything, so maybe he was out to create some news?

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  18. trainman

    Hey dorky, not sure if you’ve noticed, but no one gives a shit about your idiot posts. Do us a favour and don’t bother posting unless you have something useful to say.

  19. Rotterdam

    dorky needs to be sent to the principles office.

    As for Thomas Jefferson, he has a good point. BTW, half of the population of Jordan is Palestinian, They have always lived there as well, why not demand a chunk of Jordan?,

  20. Craig Chamberlain

    (Well, at least he didn’t mis-spell my name.)

    Got to keep it fun!

  21. Thomas Jefferson

    “Also, native Canadians legally negotiated and sold away most of their land”

    No they didn’t. Learn your history son. The natives to this day have thousands of unsettled claims.

    Caledonia was only one.

  22. Thomas Jefferson

    “No one has any right to engage in violence”

    We sure do son.

    “In political philosophy, the right of revolution (or right of rebellion) is the right or duty, variously stated throughout history, of the people of a nation to overthrow a government that acts against their common interests. Belief in this right extends back to ancient China, and it has been used throughout history to justify various rebellions, including the American Revolution and the French Revolution.” wikipedia

    Everyone alive has the right to fight against their government anywhere in the world. Armed or not. It’s up to them.

    Without armed revolution America might still be a colony. And we know how that is up here in Canada. Not fun.

  23. Thomas Jefferson

    Dorky is a clown. Quit ruining a good convo you clown.

  24. Thomas Jefferson

    “Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.”
    – Plato

    The people in Somalia and other areas full of “ideological mayhem” care less about laws or anything else for that matter.

    Plato said so.

  25. Trainman: If you disagree, fine–but what is your support for the existence of such a state?

    Even if the “Palestinian” people are “invented” to some degree (relatively speaking), over numerous generations since the arbitrary demarcations by the British were drawn in the region following collapse of the Ottoman Empire, they have developed a sense of nationalism attached to the land they occupy. As such, their right to statehood is no different from other people in the region that claim national identity as being “Jordanian” or “Iraqi” or whatever.

  26. TJ: Without armed revolution America might still be a colony. And we know how that is up here in Canada. Not fun.

    FACT: Canada is not a “colony” and hasn’t been for 145 years.

    p.s. Go back to your trailer park in Florida.

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