Indoctrination

It’s hard to fathom the demented mind of a parent that would train a 4 year-old to parrot asinine gibberish in support of a political party.

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10 responses to “Indoctrination

  1. She’s just as qualified as 80% of the NDP caucus currently in Parliament to be making political statements, and is in fact rumoured to be running against Bob Rae in 4 years.

  2. Well, I wasn’t going to go there, but that’s certainly one way of looking at it.

  3. jkg

    They are trying quite hard to extend this narrative. The Globe and Mail decided to release a poll after 2 weeks from the election, indicating there was “no buyer remorse.” What a silly piece . We have just returned to a Parliamentary session, which will rise very soon for the summer. Yet, here we have people like Dawg, declaring that the Liberals are “done.” The higher the hubris, the harder the fall will be.

  4. Gordon S

    Wow, I bet those same parents think Jesus Camp is the scariest movie ever.

    As to the demise of the Liberals as Dawg puts it, I doubt he’s that serious, but come on, 15%. That’s pretty damned terrible for a party formerly so prominent throughout this country’s entire history. I’m sure they’ll bounce back a bit as the Conservatives drag on and their post-election halo fades, but it’s still a remarkable position they find themselves in.

    The same poll shows that voters in Quebec really don’t care all that much about the inexperience of the new dippers. If given the choice between a young, inexperienced, monolingual dipper and an older, experienced, ‘well known’ creationist from the Conservative Party, I know which I’d choose.

  5. CWTF

    Dawg has proven himself to be just as arrogant and ignorant as many Cons since the election. He’s like a conbot with a better thesaurus…

  6. I don’t seem to recall anyone thinking that the NDP was doomed when they were at that level of support (or even worse). In fact, for most of my lifetime, 15% or so has been their historical norm. And if not for the sudden implosion of the BQ, they’d still be at about that level of support outside of Quebec.

    I think those who are writing obituaries for the Liberal Party are being quite presumptuous.

  7. jkg

    But that is just it, Gordon. The electorate chose a majority CPC Parliament, yet the consensus is that somehow this new composition with NDP caucus as it is is a desirable result–A position, I might add, that differs only by a small degree with the CPC and NDP ironically.

    In fact, for most of my lifetime, 15% or so has been their historical norm.

    Precisely and it is hardly informative to have a poll suggesting there is no “buyer’s remorse” when nothing has literally happened yet with respect to this new Parliament. As us Red Tory denizens have pointed out before, the NDP have 4 years to construct a fundamental political constituency that can inform, disseminate, and make the counter case on a near, if not, national level; they need to be able to make the case that they are a principled foil to the CPC. What you have is the Quebec , very young, NDP caucus comprising almost the majority of their members in Parliament who will make special demands. These are the headwinds the NDP are facing. The caterwauling about the Liberals being doomed is just a distraction from the fact that the best action the NDP has done thus far is to call for its members to “organize.” Into what exactly? Will the progressive think tanks start forging implicit political ties to the NDP to make a concerted effort in lobbying both the Parliament and the collective consciousness of the polity? Will lobby groups establish are more cohesive network that will ensure constant pressure on a government that will implement its agenda without any Parliamentary challenge? It is a matter of historical record that these were the achievements of Preston Manning’s Reform party, whether we like them or not. It took 12 years for that effect to manifest finally, so the more trumpeting of the NDP, the more likely, by probability, they will shoot themselves in the foot more often than convey a consistent message that can flow down into the minds of the electorate. Presumably, this is something they deem to accomplish in 1/3 the time of Preston Manning and The Reform. Moreover, this is the first time in a long time, if not at all, that a majority has been achieved without Quebec. The CPC have diminished their overtures to Quebec, and they will most likely shift their political work into securing their gains they have achieved. In short, they may very well be the Party of English Canada, so even if the NDP start saying they will do everything short of Meech Lake to represent Quebec, the CPC will just shrug their shoulders, especially since the more the NDP accommodate their Quebec wing, the more they will be relegated to just another regional party. As it stands, the CPC are far and away less regionalistic than the NDP.

    What I will be looking forward though is the media schizophrenia that will ensue because in trying to parlay the CPC’s performance as the ‘best of all possible outcomes.’ they will, out of sheer correlation and logical extension, concede the point that the NDP was also a desirable result. This, of course, will grate against their skepticism and subsequent grill of the NDP as an opposition party.

  8. With regards to that “no buyer’s remorse” meme, it’s kind of ridiculous to expect people to admit that they voted for a pig in a poke, isn’t it?

    As much as anything, I think the surprising results in Quebec merely illustrate the fact that in our present system, most people are inclined to vote for leaders and parties… As I’ve said countless times before, you could run a dog (or a toaster) in some ridings and get it elected provided it had the appropriate label on it.

    When asked about the upsurge of support in Quebec, Jack Layton compared it to the hula hoop craze. Well, there’s a solid basis for a political movement, huh?

    But now they have a few years to try and consolidate those freakish wins into something more legitimate. How they go about doing it will be interesting. Already Layton says one thing in Quebec and another in the ROC. If an issue comes down the pike that pits the massive Quebec wing of the caucus against the more traditional base of support in Ontario or out West, I’ll be curious to see how that gets resolved.

  9. jkg

    Already Layton says one thing in Quebec and another in the ROC. If an issue comes down the pike that pits the massive Quebec wing of the caucus against the more traditional base of support in Ontario or out West, I’ll be curious to see how that gets resolved.

    My cynical self is only slightly amused that this is only starting to come to the surface, but you know what Red? Apart from listening to the euphoric Dippers, we seem to be serendipitously on a similar page.

    Here are some links from Bigcitylib,

    Quebec threatens court challenge

    and Even the editors of the Chronicle Herald are raising eyebrows about the mixed messaging regarding the NDP’s position on the Clarity Act

    The NDP has never actually had to deal with separatist issue before in a practical context, so this will be interesting. This young quebec NDP demographic will probably lack the political skills necessary from experience to deal with this difficult question, especially with the likelihood of a PQ government this fall. In Parliament, they will probably just be no more effective than hecklers. If the PQ gets in, this will be a rough 4 years, to say the least.

  10. To be honest, I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable or well-informed about Quebec politics to speculate how developments in that province might affect the federal NDP over the coming years, but I suspect there will be some predictable friction.

    For 50 years the NDP has struggled to make headway in the ROC, but with little to show for the effort in terms of popular support. As a third party however they occasionally had great influence over policy in minority governments, for example, helping to propel social programs like Medicare with the aid of willing Liberal co-sponsors.

    But now what are they going to do? The majority of their MPs come from Quebec and what is their agenda? The young placeholders are being muzzled (how totally ironic) so we can’t know where they stand on the issues.

    I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what develops.

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