Carry On Cowboy

Surely, there’s something completely demented about casually strolling through a grocery store while openly slinging a loaded Glock semi-automatic pistol.

I don’t know about you, but I’d feel extremely creeped out being in a public space with a bunch of people packing heat, especially if they resembled anything like Nik Clark, the President of the Wisconsin Open Carry group featured in the piece, who seems at first glance to be an obvious steroid abuser…

Let’s suppose “Nik” was having the worst day of his life and went ballistic in the Piggly Wiggly for some harebrained reason after another shopper rudely jostled him with their cart in the cereal aisle. Things could get ugly pretty fast.

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95 responses to “Carry On Cowboy

  1. Surely you can say somthing more logical than “I’d feel extremely creeped out being in a public space with a bunch of people packing heat, especially if they resembled anything like Nik Clark.”

    Do you oppose people carrying guns with certain skin colors as well on the same grounds – because they look scary to you?

    America is a big sea of gun freedom and people have the right to carry guns in daily life – and they do it all around you everyday. Learn more at OpenCarry.org

  2. Mark McLaughlin

    Personally, I’d be more worried travelling through parts of inner city America than a mid-west grocery store full of openly carried 19mm. They all carry guns there too, but you can’t see them, and they’re the ones willing to use them.

    The guy in a Pheonix Starbucks with his 6 shooter wouldn’t think to draw the thing in public outside a life or death situation.

    The guy with the baggy jeans, brightly coloured dew rag and the sketchy demeanor loitering outside a Chicago area 7-11 would probably point his concealed .45 at you for the money and Beef Jerky in your pocket.

  3. Mark McLaughlin

    Whoops. Meant 9mm. Stupid keyboard.

  4. SM

    Well, if you carry a gun, it means you’re prepared to kill someone. I’m not comfortable living anywhere where there are that many people openly declaring that they’re happy to kill should the occasion come up (and since they are carrying a gun, the occasion is very likely to come up).

    A bunch of seriously deluded, paranoid, selfish animals, drunk on the possibility of omnipotence.

  5. Mike: I think you missed his point. This is a guy who is obviously on steroids. You have heard of steroid rage, right? Now add a gun to the mix and you understand the concern. He may be a completely law abiding guy but how are the rest of us supposed to know that? You can go to a gun show or buy off the street and avoid criminal background checks. And no one ever has to take a psychological exam. The ugly truth is that most of the school, mall and postal shootings in the U.S. are carried out by people with no history of criminal violence. They just snapped.

    I lived in Texas and never understood this side of Americana either, apart from the intimidation factor.

    Almost everyone I worked with in Dallas owned guns, but they all knew that they were very dangerous, so no one left bullets in them because they were afraid that young children may get them and have one of the many accidents we read about in the papers.

    The whole mentality seems driven out of an action movie where a criminal tries to break in and the owner somehow locates the gun, locates the bullets, loads the gun and shoots the criminal. Yet when I ask how often home invasions have happened to my friends, they never do.

    Yes, Texas has an open carry law too. The school districts also had to put in metal detectors to keep guns out of the schools and institute policies in case there is a school shooting. The same is true for government and office buildings. It doesn’t feel any safer to me.

  6. Toujoursdan,

    You do not have a good grasp of your fcts – Texas is one of 7 states banning open carry.

    Folks in Rexas love concealed carry though and do carry their guns with bullets in them.

  7. Naked Ape

    Mike,

    We object to people carrying handguns because we Canadians figured out long ago that having everyone pack heat was a rather stupid idea.

    Speaking of “people carrying guns with certain skin colors”, what do you suppose your armed cracker pal “Mark McLaughlin” meant when he referred to “The guy with the baggy jeans, brightly coloured dew rag and the sketchy demeanor loitering outside a Chicago area 7-11 would probably point his concealed .45 at you for the money and Beef Jerky in your pocket.”?

    Are there a lot of white dudes in baggy pants and dew rags hanging around outside Chicago 7-11s?

  8. Folks in Rexas love concealed carry though and do carry their guns with bullets in them.

    Yup. And that’s the problem.

    More than once I had to hit the floor because I heard guns being fired in my neighbourhood. And I lived in a “nice” part of town.

    Thanks but no thanks. The more guns we get off the street, the better.

  9. Jim

    This thread is full of teh stupid.

    Carry on sheep.

  10. Mike — Surely you can say somthing [sic] more logical than…

    Was there something you missed there, Mike? I was expressing how I would feel — and that’s not always congruent with logic.

    Why you chose to introduce race into the equation is beyond me. It’s completely irrelevant. I’m just creeped out by civilians carrying guns in public places. Period.

  11. redtory – if you have hoplophobia, please seek professional help.

  12. Jim — This thread is full of teh stupid.

    If so, let it be said that you’ve certainly done nothing whatsoever to salvage it from the abyss of teh stupid. 😉

  13. Mike — Well, I learned a new word today, so it’s not all bad.

    I would, however, dispute the notion that an apprehensive fear of firearms (or of “armed citizens”) is an irrational phobia in need of professional treatment.

    Perhaps you should put your convictions to the test and stride into the nearest Safeway with a battle-axe slung over your shoulder. If you don’t have one of those, maybe a sword, mace or war-hammer would do just as well. Let’s see how many other folks suffer from my “irrational” malady.

  14. There you go again redtory – you know that open carry in starbucks and the grocery stores of holstered handguns does not cause alarm, yet you insist you have some large scale fear of guns – now you want to see if people run when they see other weapons. Com on, get over it – the Canadian parliament is about to scrpa the long gun registry, and more gun rights rforms are headed to Canada soon 🙂

  15. burpster

    This looks to be a sure recipe for more handgun deaths. I refuse to live in a cowardly, paranoid fashion where everyone is packing a weapon.

  16. Gayle

    Well I find all this very interesting.

    Street kids in Edmonton almost all carry knives. They tell me it is necessary for their own protection. Unfortunately, when they do get into fights, those knives are often used. They get charged for this, of course, and people are always wringing their hands about our “violent” youth, yet so many of these youth are exposed to the message that we should have the right to arm ourselves for our own protection.

    In Canada it is illegal to possess a concealed weapon, and to possess a weapon for a purpose dangerous to the public peace. So if you were to carry a legal firearm, such as a pellet gun, you cannot “conceal” it, however if you carry it openly you would probably be charged with carrying it for a dangerous purpose. Why? Because people here are afraid of guns being carried openly. When they see someone carrying something that looks like a real gun, they call the police.

    That’s just the way it is.

  17. Mike — …you know that open carry in starbucks and the grocery stores of holstered handguns does not cause alarm.

    There you go again, Mike… LYING. Did you actually watch the video? People are protesting outside Starbucks precisely because they ARE alarmed at patrons packing loaded weapons habituating their local coffee bar. Go figure!

  18. red tory – think again – anti-gun folks are protesting open carry in Starbcuks **while open carriers are there in their midst** because nobody really cares about open carry in practice – in fact, it is actually quite disarming

  19. “Do you oppose people carrying guns with certain skin colors as well on the same grounds”

    you’re confusing red tory with nik clark….

    KEvron

  20. “Why you chose to introduce race into the equation is beyond me.”

    freudian slip; it’s why he carries a gun.

    KEvron

  21. Mike — think again – anti-gun folks are protesting open carry in Starbcuks, blah, blah, blah…

    So sayeth the chief cook and bottle-washer of OpenCarry.org.

    (I should have checked sooner to see what your game was… My bad.)

    Good luck with your delusional, crackpot Gunsmoke fantasy world there, Mike.

    p.s. Starbcuks? Isn’t that a chicken place?

  22. Because people here are afraid of guns being carried openly. When they see someone carrying something that looks like a real gun, they call the police.

    This touches on something important. Not allowing anyone to carry a weapon accomplishes something other than preventing any member of the community from shooting/stabbing/bludgeoning someone else to death. It also means that when you do see someone carrying a weapon, something is wrong.

    Imagine one person that goes to a shopping mall with a gun intent on shooting people, in a community where everyone else is carrying a gun. I’d suggest it’s much easier to prevent the crime if this person is the only one packing.

  23. Guns have no place in civil society. End of story.

  24. Well red tory, in the United States and a growing number of countries, guns ownership not only have a place in civil society, it is a fundemental natural and human right.

  25. “Guns have no place in civil society. End of story.”

    sidearms certainly don’t. i have no qualms with hunting enthusiasts.

    KEvron

  26. ooh, you certainly told us, angry mike.

    KEvron

  27. KEvron – why do you think I am angry – its redtory who is stomping his foot saying “end of story,” not me. I’m about to go have starbucks while open crrying – nobody is going to care. Want to join me?

  28. “why do you think I am angry”

    don’t know you well enought to say, but i always look to the parents first. ultimately, though, this is something best discussed with your shrink.

    KEvron

  29. “nobody is going to care. Want to join me?”

    i’m in frisco, angry mike. that fact addresses two points.

    KEvron

  30. Anon

    Doesn’t that go on all over America…the right to bear arms? It’s America isn’t it?

  31. KEv — sidearms certainly don’t. i have no qualms with hunting enthusiasts.

    Of course. I’ve got no problem at all with hunting rifles. Heck, on a per capita basis, Canadians have more of them than any other people on the planet! Side-arms and machine guns however are both ridiculous and highly dangerous.

  32. Mike — I’m about to go have starbucks while open crrying…

    Oh Mike, please don’t weep. There’s nothing worse than a gun-totting cry-baby.

  33. counter-coulter

    Doesn’t that go on all over America…the right to bear arms? It’s America isn’t it?

    The feds have long had the right to regulate the sale and usage of firearms. Although Roberts & Co. are well on their way to dismantling all of that.

  34. counter-coulter

    Good luck with your delusional, crackpot Gunsmoke fantasy world there, Mike.

    That pretty much sums it up. These delusional folks that imagine themselves as some sort of action hero saving the local Starbucks from international terrorists.

    Unfortunately the reality tends to be a lot less glamorous wherein an ex-husband shoots up a bar in a fit of jealousy.

  35. CC — Precisely.

    Maybe it’s naïve, but here in our little neck of the woods the thought of “crime” is far removed from daily consideration.

    For all their faux bluster about “freedom” and such, pants-wetting idiots like Mike are hostage to all manner of fears, unless of course their gun-slinging predilections are compelled by other, how shall we say — compensatory motivations…

  36. benalbanach

    Several years ago I was an extra in a movie shot in Vancouver. I can’t remember the name of it but one scene was at a Teamster Convention in the US. Several of us were issued handguns. I was a photographer.
    At one point the director decided there were too many guns and I watched as one guy had his taken from him. He was shaken and close to tears.
    It’s no secret that there is a tie-in with some guys to their sexuality. The gun replacing the penis in their mind (their hand too ?) Perhaps Mr Stollenwerk can cast some light on this ?

  37. Penny

    Guns have no place in civil society, but the YEWnighted States is not a civil society. There are civl people living there, who don’t own guns or, if they do, keep the rifle at home, unloaded until hunting season starts, but there are a lot more weirdos down there than up here. I’ve never heard anyone in this country think they should carry a gun at all, much less openly.

    However, we were talking about being creeped out by open holsters. We prefer carrying open beer. Red – and most other Canadians – ARE creeped out about people carrying guns, and we are entitled to our feelings. But then, we don’t have the right to carry arms here. That’s what the police are for.

    BTW, after 66 years on this planet, I have never had a home invasion, or known anyone who had; nobody has ever approached me in a parking lot, gun or no gun, except to pat my dog, nor has anyone I’ve known; I walk the streets of my neighbourhood late at night in complete safety…. as do the other night-owl neighbours.

    I would be creeped out if I knew any of my friends had a gun at all!

  38. jkg

    And now, for some topical british humour:

  39. Cameron

    I’ve never understood how the whole “if you criminalize guns then only criminals will have them” thing is supposed to scare me.

    1) good, easier to separate the crims from the rest of us
    2) I wasn’t getting in a firefight anytime soon, thanks all the same

    Another thing that always pops into my head: I “know” this guy through another site I hang out at..
    he was in the US military when they went into the Philippines. He was saying that for 10 years after that, every night as he drifted off to sleep and every morning as he woke up the last and first thing that played through his mind was the look on the Philippine conscripts face as he shot him with his sidearm.

    His point was that most people aren’t equipped, emotionally, to kill anyone. He also made the point that most people, no matter how much they think they understand all of this, aren’t ready to fire a weapon in an urban environment. The background is just to crowded with people…

  40. TofKW

    Just want to point out that the vast majority of gun owners are the average folk like you or I. They are church-goers, well respected in their communities, maybe even politicians, and all are model, law-abiding citizens … until the moment they’re not.

    And the NRA-types wonder why all the police agencies of Canada really don’t want the CPofC to scrap the long-gun registry?

  41. Jim

    “why all the police agencies of Canada really don’t want the CPofC to scrap the long-gun registry?”

    That broad statement is simply untrue.

    I do not want to get in to the gun control debate YET AGAIN, but you may want to check your facts before posting. 😉

  42. TofKW

    Oh please Jim, which law enforcement agencies have publicly supported scraping the registry?

  43. Mike — Here is another news story where reporter oepn carries…

    Might I suggest that you seek professional help for your dyslexia.

    I love how you cherry-picked that quote out of the story. You didn’t note that lots of folks DO have a problem with it and that the reporter cautioned those who would open-carry that they can expect to have the police called, be accused of disturbing the peace, etc., and other otherwise be entering “very tricky legal waters.”

    But do carry on with your delusional fantasy that packing heat is A-OK with most people.

  44. Actually redtory, the police in America can get on a lot of trouble for detaining or arresting open carriers who are not breaking any law because that is a Fourth mendment violation, see http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Federal-judge-rules-police-cannot-detain-people-for-openly-carrying-guns & http://www.fox6now.com/news/sns-ap-wi–gunlawsuit-racine,0,3242474.story

  45. Actually redtory, the police in America can get in a lot of trouble for detaining or arresting open carriers who are not breaking any law because that is a Fourth mendment violation, see http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Federal-judge-rules-police-cannot-detain-people-for-openly-carrying-guns & http://www.fox6now.com/news/sns-ap-wi–gunlawsuit-racine,0,3242474.story

  46. Actually redtory, the police in America can get in a lot of trouble for detaining or arresting open carriers who are not breaking any law because that is a Fourth Amendment violation, see http://tinyurl.com/m77vos & http://tinyurl.com/yhkctgc

  47. Cameron

    Mike you are conflating “it’s perfectly legal” with “people are fine with it”.

  48. Well, no – I was responding to redtoy’s comment about likely police misconduct directed at open carriers – but you are correct that the two concepts are different – legality v. people’s views – but trust me, in practice, nobody really notices or cares about open carry even when standing right next to somebody in a restaurant or shopping isle

  49. “but trust me….”

    to state your own biased observation as fact?

    KEvron

  50. OK, then trust your own eyes – look at all the open carry video news reports – notes shopperes going about their business in the video above with Nik & Kim – note the people driving by gun carriers in the Louisiana story I posted, etc. Come on down to some open carry states and go to a meet up – come on, see for yourself! BTW Canadian Briadcasting is down here doing a story on open carry this week – I will try to let you guys know when it is on – open carry will go international!

  51. Mike — but trust me, in practice, nobody really notices or cares about open carry even when standing right next to somebody in a restaurant or shopping isle [sic]”

    Yeah, right.

    Glad to say that most certainly wouldn’t be the case here.

    Look, this argument is going nowhere fast. You want to brandish firearms in public for whatever reason. Fine. Knock yourself out if the law allows it. Thankfully, most of the rest of the civilized world disagrees with your position — primarily because it’s completely nuts.

  52. brandish, no – that’s a crime. Properly holstered? Everyday! And more and more countries allow this, including some in Latin America, India, Russia, and others.

  53. Mike — BTW Canadian Briadcasting is down here doing a story on open carry this week – I will try to let you guys know when it is on – open carry will go international!

    Um, no. Most likely the only reason CBC is “briadcasting” this story is out of alarmed curiosity at the bizarre gun-nuttiness of our southern neighbours.

  54. it also looks like Britain might give open carry a try, see http://tinyurl.com/yesuvw3

  55. Definition of brandish per Webster’s:

    2 : to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner

    I’d say that wearing a pistol on one’s hip in a grocery store is a fairly ostentatious manner of exhibition.

  56. “Come on down to some open carry states and go to a meet up “

    i’m a stateside yank, mike, which is why i can get away with calling you a fucking liar.

    KEvron

  57. Mike — it also looks like Britain might give open carry a try…

    Dream on. That’s one person’s opinion on CSM’s libertarian blog. Even so, the notion is tossed out as speculative fodder for discussion. Amazing how you can extrapolate that to “looks like Britain might give open carry a try”. LOL. As I said before, you’re delusional.

  58. kevin – then let’s get together and open carry! you know its legal and becoming more common 🙂

  59. “then let’s get together and open carry”

    um…. no, and no.

    better plan: you fuck off, and take your lies with you.

    KEvron

  60. Now, Now Chevron, no need to cuss – especially when you open carry you will need to be a good ambassador 🙂

  61. nice veiled threat, misanthrope, but even the overt kind are ineffective on the internets.

    KEvron

  62. I just looked up the defintion of “misanthrope” – sounds like you are talking about – yourself?

    you seem to have some much angst – really, open carry is in practice quitee disarming

  63. “you’re delusional.”

    did you get a load of that website?! amateurish clutter. dot org, my ass.

    KEvron

  64. “sounds like you are talking about – yourself?”

    only if one struggles with reading comprehension might it so.

    quick! tell me i’m talking about myself when i call you a passive aggressive delusional personality type! be sure to include an emoticon, for effect. *snort!*

    KEvron

  65. “I just looked up the defintion of ‘misanthrope'”

    don’t strain yourself.

    KEvron

  66. He had to look it up. Oy.

    Yeah, I checked out his site. I wonder how many “OC Monkey” tees he’s sold thusfar…

    The whole crusade is pathetic beyond belief.

  67. “I wonder how many “OC Monkey” tees he’s sold thusfar”

    oh, you actually waded?! the low-rent design and sloppy presentation turned me off right from the click. has that gene ray thing.

    KEvron

  68. jkg

    I would like to know where these gun enthusiasts are finding these statistical ‘facts’ that open carry guns has a direct causal link to increase deterrence of crime. I put that phrase in bold to ensure that supporters understand that reification doth not an argument make.

    Still, what I find missing from all the appeals to popularity, emotion, authority, and most of all, the origins (read: Genetic fallacy) is that making the case that open carry gun users are trained on the same level as law enforcement. If it were the case, then, that would mean a massive increase in spending to ensure that Joe Tea-Bagger would understand the conditions and techniques of using their weapon in a situation much in the same way that Office Johnson would.

    I suspect that is not case as I would speculate that gun users, though they may feel they have to go through many hoops to carry a gun, are not trained on the same level especially when it comes to assessing and mitigating dangerous scenarios in a public space. After all, cops are not only trained how to use a weapon, but also, they are trained to respond and react to situations in which a weapon would be needed. I seriously doubt the vast number of open carry gun users have developed or have been trained in that capability (unless of course your profession involves you being in law enforcement or in the military).

    As per this video, one only has to ask: Would Nik be able to react in a similar way to a threatening situation with his gun as a police officer? My guess would be no, and unless that difference is accounted for in gun policy (which I doubt because let’s face it, these same individuals hate government interference,), then that divide will always be there, and that will entail always situations in which fatalities or injuries are the result of gun users not properly controlling themselves and their guns, a unintended consequence that would hardly be minimized.

  69. Here is one confirmed incident of crime deterrence by open carriers merely eating in a restaurant – http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atlanta-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d18-Open-carry-deters-armed-robbery-in-Kennesaw

    Gun carriers have the same right of self defense as anyone else and can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from similar force or threat of force, but unlike police officers, do not have to exercise their common law right of citizens arrest if they don;t want to

  70. jkg

    One or two data points does not confirm a trend much less a linearly dependent relationship, Mike. I am sure there have been cases of deterrence with gun users as well as cases of deterrence without one.

    Gun carriers have the same right of self defense as anyone else and can use deadly force to protect themselves and others from similar force or threat of force,

    I am afraid you have missed the point I was trying to make Mike. The universal right to self-defense does not guarantee that in all cases the exercise of that right is justified as the ability to quantify and respond to tense, threatening situation varies greatly from person to person as well as the situation itself. It is faulty generalization as well as a gross conflation. We know that the methods of defending yourself are not equal by the sheer fact that law enforcement are trained extensively more on firearms in their application and in ‘crisis’ training.

    If you had any martial arts training much less self-defense training, you would realize that it is very challenging to properly assess the appropriate response in which you overstep your bounds of self-defense. This is a quality in which law enforcement are trained a lot , and I am unconvinced that gun carriers receive anything remotely close to what they receive. Thus, on balance, the onus is on the NRA to quantitatively make the case that the deterrence outweighs the risk of serious fatal gun crime, which results from not only easy access to guns but users who overreact in situations.

  71. counter-coulter

    Ahh yes, Kennesaw, the gun nuts Holy Grail. Too bad that all the claimed “benefits” are a load of crap.

    btw RT, looks like we have a celebrity (of sorts) in our midst. Looks like ole Mike here, when he’s not busy responding to blog posts about gun control, is busy helping cranks provoke local law enforcement.

  72. “helping cranks provoke local law enforcement.”

    christ, i loathe martyrs. nutters aren’t being oppressed to their liking, so they concoct situations and milk sympathy from each other.

    KEvron

  73. CC — Doesn’t surprise me that Mr. Mike would leap to the defense of a paranoid crank like Hannan-Rock (who looks disturbingly like the Unibomber, btw).

    I believe that’s what’s known as his “core constituency”…

  74. I’m still trying to get my head around guys like Mike and Nik who want to live in a society where everyone carries a gun. Where it’s normal to brandish weapons during the most innocuous of household errands.

    What colour is the sky in your world Mike? And have you thought of moving to Somalia? It’s an open carry wonderland of freedom.

  75. JKG – prosecutors and grand juries in the United States tend to make the right call on self-defense – in any event, in most of the 2 million defensive gun uses a year in teh United Stsates, the gun is simply presented and the bad guys flee

  76. redtory – there you go again, attacking people for the way they look – very bad form; in Rick’s case, the city knew there police broke the law badly – they settled with money damages as soon as the judge would let them. pretty shut and dry case – police cannot seize or detain people jujst for open carrying in teh United States.

  77. Classick

    Mike, can you please tell me the purpose of hand guns other than to end human life? Their whole purpose is a retarted cycle. “Oh I have a gun to protect me….from someone with a gun.”

  78. Classick – guns ar a tool not all assailents weild guns, but guns, especially handguns can be used to deter and stop attackers – like our supreme court said, they are the quintesential self-defense weapon and can be held in one hand while you call teh police with the other

  79. Jim

    “TofKW
    March 17, 2010 at 10:58 am
    Oh please Jim, which law enforcement agencies have publicly supported scraping the registry?”

    Saskatchewan Federation of Police Officers, Calgary Police Association, Edmonton Police Association and there are others.

    And as for Red’s comment that guns have no place in a civil society, who says society is civil?

    It is certainly less than civil in my area.

  80. Jim

    Kind of off topic here, but as I have not surfed the Liblogs in some time, I have to ask.

    When did it become the Caiti-Online/Morton’s Musings show?

    What a joke.

  81. guns ar [sic] a tool not all assailents [sic] weild [sic] guns, but guns, especially handguns can be used to deter and stop attackers

    So do battle axes and war hammers. I suggest we all start carrying them — openly, of course.

  82. Jim — I haven’t been blogging much at all of late and only drop by Liblogs most infrequently. I suspect the dominance of the two individuals you noted is the result of a general sense of apathy and lack of posting amongst “Liberal” bloggers.

  83. Jim

    War hammers, battle axes and maces are very heavy and tiring to carry. As well, they cannot be swung with the kind of force needed to inflict grievous bodily harm by those who are slight of stature.

    A handgun is the great equalizer, able to be used by the small and frail to defeat the large and mighty.

    Medieval weapons would of course have to be open carried as a holster for a war hammer would surely cause your spine to become horribly twisted or at the very least, cause your pants to fall down. 😉

    I have given up attempting to sway the opinion of those on the anti-gun side of things. Most are emotionally attached to their stand and refuse to see the logic in any arguement that is offered up. So instead of becoming frustrated I have decided to say f#$% it and forget them.

  84. Likewise with respect to gun-nuts. “Most are emotionally attached to their stand and refuse to see the logic in any arguement [sic] that is offered up.”

    But yes, you’re quite correct that guns are perhaps the “great equalizer” for the weak and feeble.

  85. here is a good article on the topic in the national Post at http://tinyurl.com/yj3eu8x

  86. I presume you mean “good” in the sense that it generally concurs with your primitive compulsion to strap on a gun in public. Sorry, but it will never, ever happen here in Canada — despite all the sympathetic opinions from rootin’ tootin’ right-wing cranks that comprise much of the NP’s limited readership.

  87. lenny

    “…those shrines to urban leftism — Starbucks coffee shops.”

    Funny, but I always thought Starbucks was just another mega-corporation peddling homogeneous mediocrity and providing crappy jobs.
    I must be out of the loop.

  88. No kidding. There was a great little blurb in Adbusters’ feature on “Late Capitalism” the other month about Starbucks’ effort to “de-brand” using a faux indie guise of something called the “15th Avenue Coffee & Tea Co” to replicate the aesthetic of truly independent cafés its derived from in an effort to put them out of business.

    For what it’s worth, I hate Starbucks coffee. It’s vile tasting.

  89. lenny

    Starbucks wouldn’t have much to fear from a boycott from me – maybe the loss of a couple of coffee sales a year when I’m stuck at the ferry terminal.
    Maybe the freaks afraid to leave their homes without guns can turn it into a shrine to guys that like to show each other their pistols in public.

  90. jkg

    they cannot be swung with the kind of force needed to inflict grievous bodily harm by those who are slight of stature

    I don’t know about that; battle axes are great for felling trees, and I am certainly no spring chicken.

  91. sapphireandsteel

    The Open Curry Movement mike?

  92. jkg

    Think of the increase in criminal olfactory deterrence!

  93. A topic close to my heart cheers, found you through Bing.

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