What’s Not to Like?

Courtesy of the dreaded “liberal mainstream media” herewith is a absolutely charming picture of Michael Ignatieff…

Now, I ask you: Who couldn’t warm up to a face like that? Not to mention the fact that it’s coupled with the fluttering inanities and bitchy “mean girl” cant of Jane Antoinette Taber…

Way to go liberal media!

Update: Scott Feschuk asks whether Jane Taber’s description of Tom Flanagan as “super Tory strategist” means “I’m sorry I had to take a whole day off from saying nice things about Laureen Harper or directly quoting Conservative talking points, so I’m doing this instead…”

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73 responses to “What’s Not to Like?

  1. Navvy

    Feshuk’s dig at Taber here is pretty good:
    http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/11/24/the-%E2%80%9Chelp-stephen-harper-name-his-next-senator%E2%80%9D-challenge/

    In today’s Ottawa Notebook, Jane Taber describes Tom Flanagan as “super Tory strategist.”

    Or does she mean “super,” as in “I’m sorry I had to take a whole day off from saying nice things about Laureen Harper or directly quoting Conservative talking points, so I’m doing this instead?”

  2. Omar

    It’s a good thing his ear is blurred as there is likely some unsightly hair sprouting forth! Seriously though, I’ll take the pointed Slav look over Harper’s bloated and doughy pastiness any fucking day of the week.

  3. Omar — Harper could well be the spokesthingee for the Pillsbury company. That said, I suspect that particular look may actually appeal to those who regard his bland mass of doughy flab as sympathetic to their own measure of gelatinous poundage.

    Paging Dr. Roy!!!

  4. TofKW

    “I’ll take the pointed Slav look over Harper’s bloated and doughy pastiness any fucking day of the week.

    Being a Slav myself, no question which look I prefer.

  5. Granny

    Dear RT….Vampires are very popular these days…I always had a thing for Bela myself….It beats me why people dislike him so or do you think the pollsters are LIARS…they certainly were during the Kim Campbell time….Layton pissed me off yesterday making the crack about writing a torture book….you would think he would try and help get that FAT JERK out of there. The Cons are not like others..they dont see the other guys side…only their own and they wont change their vote even if he confesses ..they will still stand behind him…….regards granny

  6. Ti-Guy

    Judging from most to the commentary at The Globe and at MacLean’s I don’t think Canadians really deserve anything better than the giggly and vacuous burbling of one Jane Taber.

    As for the image…well, that’s one reason Harper is never seen in public without foundation, lip- and eye-liner these days (a minimalist approach to makeup of which I hardily approve, by the way, although the cheekbones could do with a little sculpting). He knows what the media does with images these days.

  7. You’d think the Globe and Mail would be embarrassed by Taber.

    One thing – Ignatieff has one of those faces that can look really bad or really handsome, whereas Harper never looks handsome.

    Taber does have the strangest crush on Loreen.

  8. Grammin

    Both look like bland douche-bags……….Harper has been so much more successful with appealing to the average man through perception and by speaking more frankly and controlling the tongues of his Reform buddies.
    Iggy lacks the ability to speak to people on their level……his every word has a hint of sarcasm, arrogance or elitism beneath it. He was born into power and influence and regular Canadians would prefer he not be given more because he desires it. He hasn’t earned anything, he has not held public office for more than a couple years nor has he even been a presence in the country. He is aging and less relevant each day he leads the LPC.
    So please wake up…….he’s not your man and never will be. I have relatives who still worship paintings of PET above their mantle who find him loathsome so don’t hold out much hope of him converting any of the CPC’s basement of support over to his side (which is in the low 30’s and rock solid). If preventing a majority is the best he can ever dream of, why stand behind him, why waste the breath? People don’t like him and its too late to re-brand him. Sorry ’bout your luck.

  9. Ti-Guy

    Taber does have the strangest crush on Loreen.

    I don’t think any kind of human emotion exists when it come to Taber. There really isn’t much of anything there at all.

  10. Ti-Guy

    Grammin and Granny have the exact same writing style. Ellipses galore.

    Get off the computer and go read a book.

  11. Grammin

    Sorry, I shall employ the use of semi-colons and omit the dreaded ellipses. Jesus, what a bitter twit you can be.

    Oh and Iggy is still an irrelevant jackass who all but 20-25% of the population ignores wholly.

  12. Ti-Guy

    Jesus, what a bitter twit you can be.

    Bitter, I’ll cop to. At this moment especially, when our fatuous political leaders are playing the dumbest games and Conservatives can’t get enough of it. They all need to be put in large arenas and gassed. But I digress…

    But twit? I wish. I think twits must be the happiest people these days. Vide Jane Taber. And people who think 20-25% of decided voters is the the entire population of Canada.

    Did you know that Harper won last year’s election with 22% of the eligible electorate?

  13. foottothefire

    Flattering photo’s are hard to come by but Harper always, always looks like he needs a transfusion a shot of melanin and a dietician.

  14. Grammin — As a lover of the dreaded ellipse I can hardly criticize you for that, but just a matter of style and FYI, anything after three […] is excessive. WordPress actually reinforces this by automatically bolding the end point in such cases. So generally, the rule is that a 3-mark ellipse is an acceptable punctuation substituting for a semi-colon, an extended hyphen in some cases, or as the indefinitely trailing end to a remark, but more than that is just poor form.

  15. Grammin

    Again, the whole “eligible voter” shtick is tired.
    If and when the Libs actually articulate something of merit, perhaps the electorate will be more engaged, but we all keep waiting for that to occur.
    Meanwhile, Harper is entrenching his vote and eroding middle-of-the-road support away from a lazy and vacuous opposition. Please (just once) criticize your own heroes without resorting to insulting those who hold a differing view to your own.
    It is fairly masturbatory to bait and berate others, while spewing pseudo-intellectual vitriol, without being able to laugh at yourself every so often.

  16. Grammin — If and when the Libs actually articulate something of merit, perhaps the electorate will be more engaged, but we all keep waiting for that to occur.

    Meanwhile, Harper is entrenching his vote and eroding middle-of-the-road support away from a lazy and vacuous opposition.

    Spot on! I couldn’t agree with you more. You have perfectly articulated the problem facing the Liberals at the moment.

  17. EM

    MasterbaTORY !??

    Why laugh at ourselves when the likes of you come trolling by?

  18. Iggy is still an irrelevant jackass who[sic] all but 20-25% of the population ignores wholly.

    Oh, that’s cold. I wonder, though: if you’re polling only 12% higher than an “irrelevant jackass”, what does that make you? A moderately less irrelevant dick?

    It is fairly masturbatory to bait and berate others…without being able to laugh at yourself every so often.

    Well, we shall just have to sit back and allow you to provide the yuks here, Grammin. You’re doing a top-hole job so far.

  19. i heart feschuk; so funny.

  20. I second that emotion. Best thing about the fateful election campaign of 2005-06 was Feschuk’s diary.

    Seriously, I think the Libs need to hire some good comedy writers to script their material and hone attacks in QP.

  21. bungling jake

    Being a life long liberal my impression of Iggy is like trhe movie Dead man walking.A couple trips to a speech therapist would help.

  22. SF — if you’re polling only 12% higher than an “irrelevant jackass”, what does that make you? A moderately less irrelevant dick?

    Precisely.

    I was thinking about the poll numbers today (the “new nadir” as Ibbitson put it) and couldn’t help but realize that 24% is only about 3-4% less than where the Libs have been holding steady more or less, off and on, for the past 4 years. And it’s fairly evident that those disaffected folks haven’t bolted to the Conservatives, but are parking their support for the time being with the NDP.

  23. Ti-Guy

    Please (just once) criticize your own heroes without resorting to insulting those who hold a differing view to your own.

    Check out my comments from a post written here yesterday.

    *sheesh*

  24. A couple trips to a speech therapist would help.

    Yeah, but, but… Conservatives HATE people that can deliver good speeches. If Iggy was a great orator, he’d be attacked for that.

  25. Conservatives HATE people that can deliver good speeches.

    Yeah. People who talk good are so fuckin’ elitist, dude. Ya just know they think they’re so much better than normal folks…

  26. Tomm

    Sir Francis,

    Conservative’s love a good speech.

    It is why they have so enjoyed the Prime Minister’s words with respect to his UN speech, his speech in Kandahar, his apology to aboriginal Canadian’s, and most recently his speech in Mumbai, to recall but a few.

    With respect to that good photogenic look, thank goodness we aren’t selecting our leaders based on that.

    If so, Svend, or Belinda may have been given the keys to the country.

  27. benalbanach

    Interesting contrast in the comments sections of Taber and Feschuk. In Feschuk’s they were undeniably witty and creative while in Taber’s they were mostly PC.

  28. Ti-Guy

    Did you like Harper’s speech in the Commons on March 20, 2003 with respect to the Iraq invasion, Tomm?

  29. Tomm

    Ti,

    I wasn’t paying attention at that time.

    Was it super good?

    Was it as good as Ignatieff’s speech last month on why the Harper and the Conservative’s have to be wiped from the map of Canadian politics?

    Was it as good as Ignatieff’s speech at the Isaiah Berlin dinner in London? The one that said everything…and nothing?

  30. It is why they have so enjoyed the Prime Minister’s words… to recall but a few.

    I’m glad you can recall those honey-tongued declamations, Tomm, because neither I nor 98.8% of the Canadian populace can do likewise.

    The last Conservative speech of any rhetorical worth whatever was delivered by John Diefenbaker, during the 1967 P.C Party convention that ultimately ended his leadership. Diefenbaker also penned the last Conservative statute that deserves a fate kinder than a trip through the ass crack of a diarrheic lumberjack–the Bill of Rights.

    If so, Svend…may have been given the keys to the country.

    I think it’s great that we guys all feel comfortable enough with our sexuality to disclose which male M.P or former M.P. we find an absolute dreamboat.

    Svend sure is a looker, but I’m more of a George Hees (circa ’62) man, myself.

  31. …while in Taber’s [the comments] were mostly PC.

    Pieces of Crap?

  32. Tomm

    Svend has those high cheek bones.

    (sigh…)

    With respect to George Hees, he looked like my Dad, so tread carefully.

    Personally, I kind of lean more toward …women (ahem).

  33. I’m surprised that Tomm picked Svend as his dreamboat of choice. Personally, I would have picked Justin Trudeau in that regard… And I don’t necessarily count him out on that score. It will be interesting to see what becomes of him in time.

  34. I’m surprised that Tomm picked Svend as his dreamboat of choice.

    I think Tomm wants someone who’ll be gentle and sensitive to his needs. You know…this being his first time and all (or so he says).

    Seriously, personal beauty has had nothing to do with political success in Canada. Conventionally attractive prime ministers and prime-ministerial candidates have never done well here–which is why we’ve had very few of them. Trudeau is not an exception: he was charismatic, yes, but not particularly handsome. He was, in fact, short, pock-marked, pinch-faced and balding.

    Among all of our prime ministers, there are perhaps two who could be considered to have had above-average looks: Laurier and Turner. Typically, we Canadians like our leaders clumsy, ugly, and inarticulate–a classic symptom of the colonial mindset.

  35. Ti-Guy

    If y’all are done mooning over which dreamboat MP can have your black cherries…

    …*ahem*…

    “Was it as good as Ignatieff’s speech last month on why the Harper and the Conservative’s have to be wiped from the map of Canadian politics?

    Was it as good as Ignatieff’s speech at the Isaiah Berlin dinner in London? The one that said everything…and nothing?”

    I hate speeches. All of them. It is music to my ears when someone begins by saying “I’ll be brief…”

    I like talks, monologues and stories.

  36. Ti-Guy

    Typically, we Canadians like our leaders clumsy, ugly, and inarticulate–a classic symptom of the colonial mindset.

    Are you sure that’s the reason? I tend to view attractive politicians with a great deal of suspicion. Good looks are the easiest way to dazzle people and I assume less attractive people have developed a more extensive array of people skills (such as charm, empathy, wit, perspicacity, etc.) that really effective leaders require.

  37. If y’all are done mooning over which dreamboat MP can have your black cherries…

    We’re not done until you fess up, Ti. Come on–out with it. And it had better not be Jack Layton (ewwww…).

    I hate speeches. All of them.

    The fact is that oratory is a dead art in the West, and it’s not coming back. The conventional political speech has not provided any meaningful electoral capital for decades. Our culture has become far too anti-textual for that. Political rhetoric has been miniaturised into micro-techniques like meme dissemination and framing, making it easier for the verbally gauche to seem like viable leaders (viz. G.W. Bush).

  38. SF — The best tub-thumping political speech-maker in my recollection was Dave Barrett (the greatest NDP leader that party never had — something for which I can never forgive them…) Man, that guy was inspirational. I remember going to see him at a rally in 1975… 12,000 people packed into the Memorial Arena — it was very uplifting. Sadly, he lost the election and B.C. returned to it’s paleoconservative roots — at which point I lost interest in such things for a very long time.

  39. I assume less attractive people have developed a more extensive array of people skills (such as charm, empathy, wit, perspicacity, etc.) that really effective leaders require.

    Sadly, I think Stephen Harper’s career proves that being devoid of physiognomic gifts does not necessarily inspire one to develop one’s social skills.

  40. I like talks, monologues and stories.

    Ideally, a good speech should incorporate all of the above.

    Personally, I’d rather see a politician in conversation with an astute interrogator.

  41. Yes, I remember hearing about Barrett as a kid growing up in Montreal. That really speaks to his fame, since Quebecers were otherwise totally indifferent to British Columbian affairs (and Canadian affairs generally, of course). Barrett, though, towered over the other premiers of the time.

    The NDP made a huge mistake in rejecting him for their leadership in ’89. They made the same mistake with Blaikie later on.

  42. I assume less attractive people have developed a more extensive array of people skills (such as charm, empathy, wit, perspicacity, etc.) that really effective leaders require.

    I’m inclined to think that while that assumption may be theoretically logical, it’s quite likely incorrect. Unattractive people tend to harbour a good deal of resentment at the crummy hand they were dealt that manifests itself in all sorts of malicious ways that are unconducive to effective leadership. Attractive people are frequently thrust into leadership positions from an early age and therefore tend, by necessity, to be more agile at conducting themselves in such roles.

  43. SF — Barrett was the first (and only) Jewish Premier of B.C., so that might have accounted for some of his “fame” in Montreal.

    It’s still a bitter pill that he was rejected by the NDP as leader; likewise with Blaikie… another admirably decent bloke.

    Ugh, people are so fucktacularly stupid at times.

  44. Tomm

    Today, a politician rather than trying to inspire, tends more to try and cast blame. Or, more recently, cast blame through the use of fear.

    Excepting those wonderfully articulate speeches of our esteemed Prime Minister.

    …or, of course that great 1967 speech by the Chief (if I may).

  45. Tomm — I have to side with SF in being completely oblivious to the Dear Leader’s magnificent speeches that you swooned over in an earlier comment. I do watch the videos his office posts and usually tune out shortly after he launches into his remarks delivered awkwardly en français — they pain me…

    As to the more general point about inspirational speeches, I think we’ve now reached a level of cynicism where such rhetorical blather has little impact. Fine words and lofty speeches are all good, but actual deeds and accomplishments are what counts.

  46. Ti-Guy

    We’re not done until you fess up, Ti. Come on–out with it.

    Myron Thompson. I’m into really freaky things, you know. Alas, his presence no long graces the Commons, leaving it passionless, parched and dry.

    The fact is that oratory is a dead art in the West, and it’s not coming back.

    Good. RIP.

  47. Ti-Guy

    Unattractive people tend to harbour a good deal of resentment at the crummy hand they were dealt that manifests itself in all sorts of malicious ways that are unconducive to effective leadership.

    That’s harsh.

    That hasn’t been my experience with unattractive people since high school.

    Anyway, I doubt anyone who hasn’t managed to overcome those obstacles is going to be presenting themselves as candidates for public office.

  48. Tomm

    Ah yes, Myron.

    I understand he is still remembered fondly in Sundre’s Mountainview Trailer Park by some of the older housewives.

    I feel sorry for you people. Not hearing Harper’s speeches the way they are meant to be heard. Perhaps a double scotch before you take it off mute…

  49. Ti-Guy

    Harper’s career proves that being devoid of physiognomic gifts does not necessarily inspire one to develop one’s social skills.

    Hate to break it to you, SF, but a lot of people find Stephen Harper attractive; just ask his supporters about that. He’s horrific in profile, and he can’t smile, but relatively speaking, he’s not as ugly as most of the PM’s we’ve had.

    All I ever see of course is his hideous personality and his cancer-ridden soul.

  50. Anyway, I doubt anyone who hasn’t managed to overcome those obstacles is going to be presenting themselves as candidates for public office.

    Maybe. Or maybe not… Granted, you have logic on your side, but practical experience would seem to indicate otherwise — at least for the most part… of course, there are exceptions to the rule.

  51. Ti-Guy

    Not hearing Harper’s speeches the way they are meant to be heard.

    In that whiny, nasally hissy little bitch voice of his?

    I’m not missing anything, I’m sure.

    Look, it works for Albertans because you’re basically Americans. But the rest of us are used to a different style.

  52. In that whiny, nasally hissy little bitch voice of his?

    Well, there’s that of course, but what I find insufferable about his speeches is the dull flatness of his cadence. Blah, blah, blah… Zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Perhaps it’s intentional… maybe he deliberately aims to completely bore people to death. One way of addressing our healthcare problems, I guess.

  53. Not hearing Harper’s speeches the way they are meant to be heard. Perhaps a double scotch before you take it off mute…

    I think I would need a handful of crystal meth, to be honest.

    Fine words and lofty speeches are all good, but actual deeds and accomplishments are what counts.

    Sure. But couldn’t we at least have some decent bloody slogans? Is that now too much to ask?

    We used to get things like “King Or Chaos” and “The Land Is Strong”. Now we get jejune tags amputated from cheap jingles like “Not A Leader”. Are we so ADD-rotten that we can no longer cope with the task of putting a little wit and pith into a few fucking syllables?

  54. jkg

    Are we so ADD-rotten that we can no longer cope with the task of putting a little wit and pith into a few fucking syllables?

    That ship sailed the moment I was getting a drink in the Glebe, and I heard a young politically active twenty-something actually uttered the letters “OMG” as if though saying “oh my god” was too arduous, ignoring the glaring fact that both have the same syllables.

  55. Go to “Woman at Mile Zero’s” blog posting of yesterday morning showing Michael Ignatieff (circa 1987) being interviewed by Valerie Pringle on what I think was Midday – great show, that. Watch the video – this is a very public intellectual speaking with great passion and reverence for his family heritage. That’s a side of Michael Ignatieff that Canadians need to see (WAYYYYY better than Iggy in faux Algonquin Park, I might add) and for the life of me, I have no idea why his handlers have been hiding that from the public. I’d vote for that guy and I am saying this as a guy who voted Tory last fall.

  56. Speeches, charisma, whatever.

    I worked with a Jewish woman years ago who’s husband (Edgar) took a real chance by attending a speech/rally by Hitler. Her husband was on the fairer side and got away with it. He said that Hitler was absolutely hypnotic to listen to. I don’t get it after seeing films of him. But Edgar said Hitler had something that absolutely infatuated the crowds. Edgar slipped away quietly from the rally. He was just so curious about what all the fuss was about. Thankfully, they didn’t catch on that he was Jewish.

  57. SF/JKG — I suspect you’re both being more than a little disingenuous in harking back to the days of catchy or *cough* “pithy” slogans. e.g., Tippecanoe and Tyler too!” (originally abbreviated for the rubes of that era as “Tip and Ty”).

    Or to use a more recent example, take Obama’s “Yes We Can!” slogan. That used to make me cringe every time I heard it; always thinking in my head “No, you won’t be able to!”

    Then there’s the Conservatives’ erectile gem from 2005: “Stand up for Canada” — well, who could argue with that?

  58. Sean — I watched that a few weeks ago. Good interview, but that was then… this is now.

    I believe you’re right though in terms of getting him to just speak more casually and engaging in conversations of this sort rather than delivering stupefyingly dull speeches every now and again.

  59. Yep – he’s too good a communicator to be scripted and if he can keep from musing about things that generally cause him to place both feet in his mouth right up to his ankles, there might be a chance for this guy.

    I have long held that Canadians would KILL for a national leader who is the “anti-partisan”. Someone who can help Canadians start to feel good about themselves again. Harper is doing it – kinda – by wrapping himself up in ideas and symbols about a strong country with a strong military – nothing wrong with that, but it’s flat. It’s dry. It doesn’t speak to me on an emotional level. I think Ignatieff could kick ass at talking about what it means to be Canadian with the same kind of passion we see in that video. I suspect voters would really like that guy.

  60. Sandi — It’s pretty rousing stuff, actually. Not hard to see how this would be compelling to the German people in the post-Depression years.

    I read someplace that Hitler took dramatic acting lessons to perfect his theatrics.

  61. Ti-Guy

    Not hard to see how this would be compelling to the German people in the post-Depression years.

    Remember, this was before television and an advanced popular film industry. People expected theatrics in public presentations of the kind they saw on the stage. It’s look corny now, but back then, that’s was how it was done.

  62. Indeed, and corny though it may be, it’s still pretty riveting to see that kind of emotional appeal expressed so passionately (quite aside from the crackpot message involved)… nationalism, blood bonds, heroic ideals and a “fixed pole” of absolute certitude projecting into the future — well, who wouldn’t stand up and salute that kind of nonsense?

  63. jkg

    I suspect you’re both being more than a little disingenuous in harking back to the days of catchy or *cough* “pithy” slogans

    I am very much guilty of romanticizing the past; my lamentation is more having to do with the fact that it is not getting any better , especially when the upcoming demographic cohort grew up in a very post-literate and electronic world that would hardly demand eloquence and articulation. It certainly doesn’t help that during elections their supposed betters fall easily to asinine slogans like the ones you mentioned.

  64. JKG — I’m not sure what appeals to young people these days. Most of them seem to be woefully sub-literate and profoundly inarticulate, so it’s hard to precisely discern what they actually feel or think. But then, I could just be, as Jim said on another thread, a crotchety old fuck.

  65. Ti-Guy

    well, who wouldn’t stand up and salute that kind of nonsense?

    Sane people?

  66. Navvy

    I went to Ignatieff’s book launch for True Patriot Love at St. Brigid’s here in Ottawa. I was very impressed by his speaking. This was mostly in a question/answer and interview format. I found him witty, attentive and thoughtful. He displayed the same characteristics during the book signing afterwards. The only other time I’ve been impressed was with his The Hour appearance. I’m thinking his new advisors realize this and that’s why they have announced this town hall tour of the country. Played right, he could come across really well (assuming the media choses to cover any of it, which I doubt).

  67. Grammin

    I doubt advisers are going to make a huge difference.
    If there’s one thing the CPC has been successful at, it is defining someone before he or she is able to define him or herself. Iggy is a gelding and LPC supporters still expect him to produce foals. It’s not bloody likely mes amis.

  68. Perhaps Ignatieff should take a page from the Conservatives and hit small towns and other burgs off the beaten trail… talk to the local press, get on the 6:00 o’clock news and ingratiate himself with those “ordinary Canadians” that Stephen “never had a real job in his life” Harper pretends to cater to…

  69. Grammin — I’ll refrain from making the comment I’d actually like to in response to that asinine piece of shit.

  70. Ti-Guy

    If there’s one thing the CPC has been successful at, it is defining someone before he or she is able to define him or herself.

    Especially at a time when a sizable proportion of the population consists of distracted, juvenile and empty-headed post-literates who respond like Pavlov’s dog to whatever images they see and catchy slogans they hear on the teevee or on the Intertoobz.

    Even the expression “defining people before they’ve defined themselves” was lifted straight out of some Conservative PR flack’s strategic plan. That they, and more disturbingly, the news media pundits, all repeat it so robotically is revealing

    Seems to me true democrats and real Canadians would be concerned about whether that definition is accurate or not.

  71. “defining people before they’ve defined themselves”

    That expression should be billboarded loud and clear by the Liberals as an indication of the fascistic, Orwellian “Big Brother” mindset that now characterizes the “Conservative” party.

  72. TofKW

    “That expression should be billboarded loud and clear by the Liberals as an indication of the fascistic, Orwellian “Big Brother” mindset that now characterizes the “Conservative” party.”

    Every once in a while, usually when I am compelled to witness what happens to people’s minds after a lobotomy, I go visit the Flogging Bories forum. I remember when the initial Iggy ‘just visiting’ ads hit the airwaves, a few nitwits had the nerve to refer to them as ‘truth ads’. Indeed …straight from Orwell’s Ministry of Truth.

  73. Ti-Guy

    That expression should be billboarded loud and clear by the Liberals as an indication of the fascistic, Orwellian “Big Brother” mindset that now characterizes the “Conservative” party.

    Good point.

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