Janine Who?

Does anyone really care about the puerile drivel Janine Krieber posts on her Facebook page? Granted, it makes for a juicy media flap, but her remarks can hardly be taken seriously. If she truly feels that the grass is greener on the NDP side of the fence; “Un parti où la règle serait le principe de plaisir et non l’assassinat” and “Un parti où l’éthique du travail et de la compétence seraient respectés et où les sourires ne seraient pas factices,” then I hope the door hitting her backside on the way out doesn’t impede her flight.

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56 responses to “Janine Who?

  1. CWTF

    I happen to agree with what she has written as it echoes what I have been saying for months now.

  2. Who cares what she thinks really. She was Dion’s key advisor – how well did that go.

    She’s ranting about he Chretien/Martin years – well, duh – Ignatieff and Donolo are trying to change that by bringing in both sides.

    Personally, I think she’s made a fool of herself and made it harder for her husband, and he truly doesn’t need that right now.

  3. CWTF — I can sympathize with her frustration, but not with the content of her missive (which she promptly removed when pressured to do so).

    It’s ridiculous to claim “Le parti libéral est en pleine déconfiture, il ne s’en remettra pas.” Certainly the Libs are in dire straights at the moment, but it’s fairly absurd to suggest they’ll never recover from this bad patch.

    As for her assertion that “Pour avoir refusé la coalition historique qui pouvait le mettre à la tête de la gauche, il sera puni par l’histoire” although I was supportive of the Coalition, the majority of Canadians were not. I don’t know that the Libs would ever have lived down the charge of it being an undemocratic, self-serving “power grab” or some such thing.

    Also, her position is quite contradictory. On the one hand she claims that the Libs will be “il deviendra une pauvre petite chose à la merci des coalitions éphémères” but on the other she’s pining for just such a coalition… Huh?

  4. Ti-Guy

    Does anyone really care about the puerile drivel Janine Krieber posts on her Facebook page?

    Yes. Everyone does. This story is generating quite a bit of reaction.

  5. I don’t begrudge her right to whine and b-*+$h but don’t see how her opinion adds up to any evidence of forseeable doom. It’s mostly grist for the CON mill (and a little morsel of manic hope for the Dippers) but it really doesn’t mean squat. Right now, the main option to remove the immoral stench of Harper is still the Liberals.

  6. Ti-Guy — Bah, humbug!

  7. Joseph

    As someone who actually found Dion appealing, I think she has a mighty big blind spot when it comes to finding blame for his failure as leader. And, let’s be honest, his tenure was a failure. He had his time, and it ended.

    Insider liberals didn’t cause his collapses at communication, normally during the most critical of opportunities. Did she forget about his inability to articulate ANY response to reporter’s clumsy but certainly relevant conversation during the last campaign? Did she fail to realize how incompetent it was not to provide a timely and forceful rebuttal while the nation’s news agencies sat waiting during the crisis last year? That was a “home-run” moment waiting to happen . . . and the country was listening, and prepared to hear. Instead it got “we don’t know why we haven’t received the Liberal response.” Then, when it did arrive, it was choppy and shaky, as if Janine shot it herself on her 80s camcorder (perhaps she did?).

    Seriously, it struck me more as a “I had way too many drinks and shouldn’t be doing this, but f*!k it” moment. I wonder if she took another shot before clicking send?

    I did something similar once, when I was 19. I’ve learned a lot since then. Apparently Janine has not.

    😉

    Facebook / Twitter . . . our words will live forever, unfortunately for most people. They are the bane to civil, coherent discussion; but we can only blame ourselves. They’re just the technical enablers.

  8. Ti-Guy

    although I was supportive of the Coalition, the majority of Canadians were not.

    I’m not sure that bit of received wisdom, established during a flurry of polls at the height of the Parliamentary crisis, when it was also revealed that a sizable proportion of the Canadian electorate don’t even understand their own system government, is all that true. Or all that meaningful, in any event. And I’m not sure how strong a majority it was. I seem to remember it barely being 50%. Also, public opinion polls…feh!

  9. Ti-Guy

    That was a “home-run” moment waiting to happen . . . and the country was listening, and prepared to hear. Instead it got “we don’t know why we haven’t received the Liberal response.” Then, when it did arrive, it was choppy and shaky, as if Janine shot it herself on her 80s camcorder (perhaps she did?).

    That’ll admit was a disaster. I’ve never quite gotten the story on that, although I believe it was the result of Dion taking too much time to draw up what he wanted to say.

    Dion never did get the speed at which information is forced to be disseminated these days, and that’s what I liked about him. But I’m among the very few who believe good ideas, like good food, like good anything take time.

    That’s why this culture is stupid and headed for collapse.

  10. CWTF

    She was Dion’s key advisor – how well did that go.
    Better than what Iggy is doing.

    On the one hand she claims that the Libs will be “il deviendra une pauvre petite chose à la merci des coalitions éphémères” but on the other she’s pining for just such a coalition
    I did not read it exactly that way. More like the Liberals will be followers now instead of leaders.

    The Liberals have been handed issues where they could shines, instead they seems to be stumbling blindly…. (The torture issue could have been golden for them).

  11. CWTF – any opportunity to slag……the point is she needs to reflect on her part in his failure.

    He didn’t catch on……get over it. Playing the blame game doesn’t make for a happier ending.

  12. CK

    All well and good to chalk this up to bitterness and sour grapes, simply because of the author.
    What if it were somebody else who came out said those exact same things? Somebody we’d least expect to have an axe to grind. I think we’d pay more attention.

  13. CWTF

    But I’m among the very few who believe good ideas, like good food, like good anything take time.
    True but in this culture of “instant” it will take a collapse for people to understand that.

  14. CWTF

    He didn’t catch on……get over it. Playing the blame game doesn’t make for a happier ending.
    She’s saying that Iggy is an ineffective leader and that we should not let the Conservative get away with what they are doing to Canada.

    You can continue to have you head buried up your ass.
    Harper, Iggy, very little difference….

  15. Gayle

    I do chalk it up to her emotional attachment to her husband.I suspect we have all been guilty od irrational responses when we see someone we love being attacked.

    She took it down. Best to leave it at that.

  16. Ti-Guy — I didn’t say the public reaction was justified. Unfortunately, the media didn’t help matters by failing to explain more clearly that what was being proposed was perfectly legitimate within our system and not a “coup” or overthrow of the government with no mandate as it was characterized by the Conservative spinners.

    Just imagine if the Coalition had materialized as the government…. and then ran up a massive deficit without managing to stem unemployment or significantly kick-start the economy (as is now the case). The Conservatives would be howling and shrieking with outrage (outrage!!!) and the Libs/Dippers would likely have suffered miserably at the polls. Harper might then have actually gotten his long sought-after majority and been able to cut the public sector to the bone with complete impunity, all the while blaming the ill-fated Coalition.

    I think the long-term fall out from that would have been disastrous for the Left in this country.

  17. Ti-Guy

    True but in this culture of “instant” it will take a collapse for people to understand that.

    It’s really the media’s fault. I just hope when the collapse comes, we’ll know where to find them.

    Some things are urgent and do require speed. Most things don’t.

    On a related note, has anyone noticed how everyone under the age 30 or so tends to speak at at hypersonic speed while being largely incoherent while doing it? There are very few people who’ve mastered the ability to talk quickly and make sense at the same time, but it seems to be all the rage these days. Is it energy drinks? Ritalin? Meth? Practised deception?

  18. “it’s fairly absurd to suggest they’ll never recover from this bad patch. ”

    Oh, I don’t know. Liberal parties have certainly come and gone in other jurisdictions — including certain provinces a certain Red Tory may be familiar with — and replaced by a more clear left-right divide.

    True, we aren’t at a shift like that yet, but we could be soon.

    I’m already tending towards holding my nose and voting NDP next time.

    Unrelated…

    The Wingnuterer is back at thewingnuterer.ca

  19. Ti-Guy

    Just imagine if the Coalition had materialized as the government…. and then ran up a massive deficit without managing to stem unemployment or significantly kick-start the economy (as is now the case).

    So how come the Conservatives are getting away with it?

    The Conservatives would be howling and shrieking with outrage (outrage!!!) and the Libs/Dippers would likely have suffered miserably at the polls. Harper might then have actually gotten his long sought-after majority and been able to cut the public sector to the bone with complete impunity, all the while blaming the ill-fated Coalition.

    I think the long-term fall out from that would have been disastrous for the Left in this country.

    I don’t disagree. I think that’s exactly what would have happened. But the question remains…why do the Conservatives get away with it?

  20. Good question. I can only surmise that the right-wing’s hatred of liberals is so irrationally pathological and deeply entrenched that a Conservative government could do almost anything and get away with it without being held to account.

  21. Ti-Guy

    I can only surmise that the right-wing’s hatred of liberals is so irrationally pathological and deeply entrenched that a Conservative government could do almost anything and get away with it without being held to account.

    I prefer corporate media conspiracy. At least, it provides for definable targets.

    That the Right is irrational is inarguable. But we really do need to focus on how it got that way.

  22. I find it amusing people assume she was talking about the NDP which, as those familiar with it, would honestly admit has many issues of its own.

    Anyway, Dion is certainly deserving of a good deal of criticism (and has gotten it) and obviously that will be a blind-spot for Kreiber.

    But, the face is Stephane’s poor performance aside, the problems with the LPC go far deeper than the leader. They were unaddressed under Martin, under Dion, and under Ignatieff. Until there’s introspection on that, change the leader all you want, it won’t make a lick of difference. On that, she was correct.

  23. billg

    The right is irrational? The LPC is now on its 3rd leader in 4 years. The LPC is on a 4 year slide and hovering around 23 to 25 %. The LPC refused a leadership convention and crowned a man who is probably more conservative then liberal. The LPC now has two major figures who have come out and said that the party is run by Toronto elites…and the right is irrational? Its hard to argue that are not whacko’s on the far right…just as the far left has its share of moonbats, but, the middle ground that once was owned by the LPC is now Conservative territory…because the LPC has become irrational, and, until it heals and gets better by having a Leadership Convention, until it delvelops some sort of vision and policy alternative from the Cons, until they tell the West that yes, the LPC does understand that its Western Canada that has softened the economic hardships the rest of the world has felt, and, finally, until they stop hating the 38 to 42 % of Candians who have the nerve to actually like Stephen Harper and to stop calling them irrational knuckle dragging mouth breathers. Canada needs a strong Liberal Party, and, it needs a strong Conservative Party…the LPC is not strong right now because they refuse to allow a simple one person one vote Leadership convention…I’d call that irrational.
    billg

  24. Ti-Guy

    But, the face is Stephane’s poor performance aside, the problems with the LPC go far deeper than the leader.

    I still don’t understand what they are, exactly. This timidity, this immobility, this deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming car is mystifying.

    Since you’re here, you would know this maybe. Under which bed is Ted Betts hiding these days?

    I suspect the Liberal Party is having a hard time with a hostile and/or frivolous media that isn’t interested in communicating anything that takes longer than a tweet to explain. Well, maybe it’s time to pull an Obama and take them on, even if they claim support for Liberals.

  25. Ti-Guy

    The right is irrational?

    Billg:

    The fact that you believe challenging an assertion is best done by comparison is just another manifestation of that irrationality. The Right does that all the time: “But, but, but…the Liiiiiiiberals!”

    “Irrational” doesn’t necessarily mean crazy or psychotic. It really means the abandonment of reason, logic and evidence in the formulation of one’s opinions, beliefs and knowledge about reality.

  26. Ti-Guy

    Speaking of irrational:

    “until they tell the West that yes, the LPC does understand that its Western Canada that has softened the economic hardships the rest of the world has felt…”

    Huh? Whaa?

  27. I still don’t understand what they are, exactly. This timidity, this immobility, this deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming car is mystifying.

    We don’t know who we are or what we want to be about, it seems to be, other than we want to be in power.

    Dion went one way (policy, green) and got smacked. So now Ignatieff is doing the exact opposite (no policy, just oppose) thinking that will logically get better results. And it’s not.

    We need to decide what we stand for, and then actually stand for it, then maybe people will follow. We need to realize people don’t hate Harper as much as we wish they did. We need to be more willing to call BS on the Cons and take them on. Including negative ads, if done correctly.

    Most of all, we need to realize this is a long-term project, that results won’t be immediate, that messiahs are for the bible, and it will take all of us to succeed.

  28. Ti-Guy

    And more irrationality:

    “until they stop hating the 38 to 42 %”

    Who? You mean of decided voters, right? That’s a majority of Canadians?

    Get your head examined. This is a “fringe.” With low voter turnout, Harper could get a majority of with 25% of the vote. Stop claiming that that represents most Canadians. Stop believing it.

  29. Ti-Guy

    We don’t know who we are or what we want to be about, it seems to be, other than we want to be in power.

    Seems like being an effective and robust and slightly mean Opposition would be a good start for now.

    Get some brat-pack going again. Do like the Conservatives do and hire a bunch of basement-dwellers to troll mainstream and Conservative media. Hell, outsource it to Bangalore if the Party can’t afford it.

  30. Loraine Lamontagne

    Mrs. Krieber certainly got a lot of free press. My best wishes to her in her new position with the Green Party.

  31. If she thinks the Liberals are vicious infighters… good luck with the Greens! 😉

  32. Ti-Guy

    Most of all, we need to realize this is a long-term project, that results won’t be immediate, that messiahs are for the bible, and it will take all of us to succeed.

    I wonder if this long term project is simply having Michael Ignatieff become Prime Minister, which in all likelihood, would happen eventually. If so, I’d like to know what the reasoning behind that is. Cui bono, in other words? His “robust liberalism” has been discredited, his reputation as a champion of human rights has been revealed to be largely nothing but a hobby for an easily-bored dilettante and I doubt he knows nor cares much about economics. And lastly, he’s not getting any younger. In fact, he was born old.

    The long term project I could get behind right now is Ignatieff putting whatever intellectual power he can bring to bear along with his celebrity to guide the Liberal Party away from its disastrous obsession with this particular Messiah.

    The Party has time. No sensible party should want to form the government now or assume power before Mr. Harper is forced to clean up this mess. Or is forced out of power due to his many high crimes and misdemeanours.

  33. TofKW

    “…the LPC is not strong right now because they refuse to allow a simple one person one vote Leadership convention.

    Hello?

    You populist windbags can’t remember events from, like, last fall even?

    The Grits were going ahead with a full fledged leadership convention with three (3) candidates. Then the stock market went down the toilet, and all team Harper could come up with was the sell crown assets (in a depressed market – ya that’s smart) and cut political subsidies. Then the coalition reared its ugly head (if nothing else, it helped to smack Harper upside the head), parliament was prorogued, and the last thing the Grits needed was to head into a potential election campaign in January with Dion still as leader.

    You have the balls to criticize the Liberals for scuttling a proper convention, when it was all due to Harper’s partisan bullshit that almost created a constitutional crisis?!?! Just think of all the sound-bites you could have used against the potential winner (most likely Iggy, but who knew) if Harper were the master tactician the CPC cronies all say he is. The CPC could have had at least a year of smooth sailing since last year’s election. The Libs were literally divided, stuck with a lame duck leader, and heading into a proper convention. Harper could pretty much tabled any bill with no real opposition for quite a long time …but he just had to play the hyper-partisan didn’t he?

    You wanted a real convention? Blame Harper.

  34. billg

    Where to start. Oh ya…I dont care. Your at 23 to 25 % and its not your fault. 39% was ok for a Lib majority but now its an indication that the majority of voters dont like Con policy, if more voters voted we’d win more elections, if Jack Layton hadn’t voted against Martin we’d have Universal Daycare and no debt right now…sigh…!!
    I visit RT’s sight cuz its a fucking good blog.
    If the Liberals win the next election I would care very little because it would mean they’ve found the middle ground..which is ok by me. But when your sinking like a stone and your showing no signs of getting better, and, your party keeps doing the same stupid fucking things over and over again stop blaming me, stop blaming the Cons, stop blaming Harper and Layton, stop blaming first past the post and maybe take some advice for once. Have a leadership race…one member / one vote. Have that an your up to 30% in a week.
    billg

  35. Bill — Thanks? 😉

    There’s no question that the Liberals blow at the moment, but I don’t see it as an irredeemable situation. An election won’t be in the cards until sometime late next year, so in my opinion there’s no need for panic or desperation. The party is resilient enough to bounce back provided they put their minds to the task with some vigor and determination.

    I will admit though, the sorry state of affairs in the LPC does get a little disheartening at times.

  36. Ti-Guy

    How’s that GST cut working out, Billg? What do you, as a representative of most Canadians, think about Harper putting the government in a structural deficit before the economic crisis hit? What can you tell us about the In-and-Out scandal or the latest potential war crimes scandal?

    And no…”but, but, but, Liiiiberals…23%…23%!!!” is not an acceptable answer.

  37. Bob Bruce

    She was right about one thing, the Liberal Party is well on it’s way into the dustbin of history.

    The NDP will be ahead of the Liberals in the polls early in the New Year.

  38. Ti-Guy

    I will admit though, the sorry state of affairs in the LPC does get a little disheartening at times.

    And then Conservatards, like Boob here open their mouths and we all feel a little better.

    Remember: Stupid and mean people get what they deserve, eventually.

  39. Grammin

    Sadly, high and mighty pseudo-intellectuals who merely spew venom and accuse the other side of doing the same do not.

  40. Ti-Guy

    The pain…the pain…

  41. LOL, I knew it….CWTF get his jollies attacking me.

    I knew he’d come back with that response LOL.

  42. billg

    Ti-Guy: I loved the GST tax cut, do you think if the GST wasnt cut the world would not have suffered an economic melt down? The Libs can come up with a viable GST tax hike to help pay down the Cons debt in the next election..that is if they are smart enough…I’m not paid to do their thinking. The in and out issue I dont know much about, but, I dont see it in the papers and there are no charges so how big an issue can it be? Now regarding the “potential war crimes”..again…I’ve followed it but funny thing…4 story’s today in NN have this “look the other way” policy starting under Mr Chretien’s watch…and…I agree with Mr Chretien and Mr Harper on this one…are you saying Ti-Guy that both Chretien and Harper are war criminals? Funny…you want Omar Khadr back because he’s a Canadian citizen and we should deal with our citizens being held our own way, but, we should not do the same in Afghanastan? You’ve sort of summed up the LPC position Ti-Guy…its scatter brained, its not well thought out and its all over the map. This Conservative government will fall, as every government does, but, if the LPC continues to think that all it has to do is yell and scream “scandal” and “hidden agenda” and presto chango they become the government they are sadly mistaken, and, they provide Mr Harper a defacto majority, and I dont care if your Liberal or Conservative…bad things happen when there is weak opposition. billg

  43. Bob Bruce

    Remember: Stupid and mean people get what they deserve, eventually.

    That is exactly what is happening to the Lieberal Party right now.

    Too funny.

  44. Ti-Guy

    do you think if the GST wasnt cut the world would not have suffered an economic melt down?

    No, we’d just be headed for smaller deficits. D’uh!

    The Libs can come up with a viable GST tax hike to help pay down the Cons debt in the next election..that is if they are smart enough…

    Sure, and you’ll be the first to scream “Tax and spend Lieberals giving us the shaft again!” You won’t even remember thinking differently.

    “but, I dont see it in the papers and there are no charges so how big an issue can it be?”

    Ladies and gentlemen…Canada has spoken!

    …and that’s about as much energy as I have for fisking.

    Shorter comments, Billg. Shorter comments.

  45. Ti-Guy

    That is exactly what is happening to the Lieberal Party right now.

    Fuck off, you cocksucking troll.

  46. Bob Bruce

    Ti-Girl proves yet again why she’s the lowest bottom feeder in the Lieberal fish bowl.

  47. Yawn. Please step up the quality of your rhetorical barbs or face elimination. At the moment, you are the weakest link…

  48. billg

    ya..sorry bout the long winded stuff…its been a while and i should know better. You do have a point Ti-guy. I commented a while ago on a Tory blog about how the big blue C on the stimulus cheques were an idication of arrogance, and, how sooner or later govt’s get arrogant…I’d like to get a federal grant to research how normal men and women who work so hard to get elected can become such assholes in such a short span of time. billg

  49. Drake

    Ms. Krieber will be bolting to the Green Party tomorrow. That’s news folks.

  50. Ti-Guy

    I don’t think it’s the MP’s…I think the PR/advertising execs, the political strategists and various and other sundry consultants are the ones responsible.

    They’re also the ones responsible for the Liberals’ misfortunes as well.

    These people pretend they know what they’re doing, but they in fact don’t have a clue. And they expect to be long gone before anyone else realises it.

    Speaking of which, this is what’s getting Kinsella all tingly and tumescent lately.

    More lipstick for the pig, please!

  51. CWTF

    LOL, I knew it….CWTF get his jollies attacking me.
    Not really, just pointing out your irrational exuberance toward Iggy.

    For the rest, I’ll defer to Ti-Guy as he has done the heavy intellectual work (and I’m guessing it was rather simple given the level here at the moment)…

  52. Ti-Guy — Urgh. Just what we need. More blood-sucking leeches on the body politic.

  53. Alex

    She was just drunk. It happens all the time with her.

  54. Fuck off, you cocksucking troll.

    Now, you’ll need to do better than that, Ti. It is a poor insult indeed that merely turns its target’s vocation into a present participle. 😉

  55. SF — I suspect the lazy nature of the insult was commensurate with TG’s contempt for Boob.

    Let’s just be thankful that Patrick didn’t appear on the scene to castigate Ti-Guy as being “homophobic” for the sin of accusing someone of being a cocksucker. [He’s actually done this in the past…]

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