Canada’s “Action Plan” Spending

The Chronicle Herald, the Ottawa Citizen and journalism students from Ottawa’s Algonquin College have crunched the numbers of the government’s economic “Action Plan” and unsurprisingly find that Conservative ridings received more than half of the $8.5 billion announced under the Building Canada infrastructure stimulus program.

However, aside from the wild disparity between certain ridings (as illustrated in the RMR video), generally speaking, it doesn’t seem there’s really much of a story here. As noted in the article, “The riding that received the most money — a whopping $247 million — is Liberal Ken Dryden’s York Centre, which benefits from a third of the largest single infrastructure project in the country, the $697-million York Subway Extension.”

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122 responses to “Canada’s “Action Plan” Spending

  1. You'reAPompousWindbag

    I bet you’re an absolute treat to be around.

  2. Question is – is that York Region funding an “old” announcement re-announced? I think, possibly, it is.

  3. YAPW — I thought I was being more than fair. Do you have a reading disability, perhaps?

  4. Facts, figures and the truth rarely get in the way of a good story for the MSM or partisans.

  5. Sandi — It’s hard to say. Some of the stuff included in the infrastructure spending are things already in the works that have been “accelerated” to nudge them along faster than might otherwise have been the case.

  6. Navvy

    Facts, figures and the truth rarely get in the way of a good story for the MSM or partisans.

    Yeah, I hate partisans.

  7. I try to be as objective as possible, but don’t deny that I’ve got inherent biases. As a partisan, however, I’d do very poorly…

  8. Ti-Guy

    In case you’re wondering who the latest visitor, “CanadianSense” is, check out his/her (rumour has it it’s a her) greatest hits here..

  9. That connection is “untrusted”… Care to provide a synopsis of what can be found there?

  10. Ti-Guy

    That connection is “untrusted”…

    Sorry. Try this one.

    463 comments of endless confrontation and shrieking.

  11. Thanks for the props TG.

    Sending people to the wrong or unsafe link.

    TG most sane people are not running around pointing fingers and blaming deaths on the Federal Gov’t regarding H1N1.

    Some people are. Best of luck with being in the camp with trying to politicize the largest immunization in Canadian History at the feet of only level of Government.

  12. Omar

    The Chronicle Herald, the Ottawa Citizen and journalism students from Ottawa’s Algonquin College could publish photos of Stephen Harper with John Baird’s dick in his mouth and Canadians would collectively think little of it. Nothing seems to stick to this government. I don’t get it and I’m tired of trying to figure it out.

  13. Ti-Guy

    Sending people to the wrong or unsafe link.

    Man, what a bitch.

  14. RedTory,

    Regarding the RM videoclip, it was funny.

    Some of us who are voting for the CPC did not want the size, speed of EAP to be rolled out.

    Some of us believe mistakes will be made and projects that are not necessary will be funded.

    We don’t have ANY other party that wanted less spending or slower more careful use of taxpayer funds.

    I only hear the opposition complaining about $ 100 million in advertising, logos, costs of signs $ 45 million.

    That $ 10.5 Billion loan to GM, Chrysler …..never going to get repaid.

    Penny wise…. pound foolish?

    With over 4,000-6000 projects estimated with three levels of governments involved how do you distribute it evenly if the provinces and local officials are reporting they made the recommendation or decisions?

    Is Carolyn Parrish or George Smitherman a “con-troll”?

  15. Ti-Guy

    I don’t get it and I’m tired of trying to figure it out.

    Keep reminding yourself…they’re governing on the strength of 22% of the eligible electorate. 25% of that puts them in majority territory.

    The other part of that story is the news media.

  16. Omar — They do seem to be in ‘Teflon mode” at the moment, but I think that’s attributable to the present circumstances in which these mini-scandals are occurring. As I’ve said time and again, people simply don’t care at the moment — they’re not engaged in the partisan political fray and are just far more concerned about keeping their heads above water and getting on with… you know, getting on. For proof of that, I’d simply point to the precipitous dip in Liberal support when Iggy publicly vowed t bring down the government and force an election at the start of the latest session of parliament. That got a big thumbs-down from most people.

    Not surprising, really. We’ve had a pile of elections in recent years and none of them has made a significant difference of any kind. Most people don’t concern themselves with the irksome minutiae of politics in any case, and none of the tedious little “scandals” have gained any traction at all with voters. Nobody is much interested in switching horses at this juncture of the stream.

    So let the Conservatives carry on with whatever it is they’re doing. Ignatieff has at least shifted the Liberals back into an Opposition mode, which is a refreshing change… Keep lobbing grenades and picking apart their “Action Plan”… Some of their criticisms will stick and others, not so much. Eventually, the bills will come due, the fiscal shenanigans will come to light and all will be revealed…

  17. Canadiansense — I think most of us appreciate that in the process of rolling that much money out there are going to be questionable expenditures and dubiously allocated funds. As I said, this is kind of “non-story” and, with a few notable exceptions, the disparities in funds disbursed to various ridings are easily explained. Does anyone imagine that the Liberals would have been more fair-minded in distribution of stimulus money…? Of course not.

  18. RedTory,

    the Public (Polled) have been bombarded with the latest faux scandal and have not given the opposition “version” of reality a thumbs up. They have given a middle finger.

    The current government has not repeated the mistakes of the past Liberals who benefitted from two split right of centre parties.

    We have many AG reports about the Billions being wasted.

    The loss of those voting blocks is detailed, demostrates a slow and incremental shift away from Socialist Big Government Ottawa knows better mindset.

    In Europe the “socialist” parties have retreated and lost support.

    The visible minority, rural vote, Catholic vote, women, over 65 have left the liberals for a large number of reasons.

    The Anatomy of Liberal Defeat is a study -must read in my opinion.

    The long game is to keep the Liberals out of power long enough and deliver a pragmatic federal government that “respects” the division of power.

    Did you see all the Premiers line up for EAP commit to it in Jan 2009? Now the muncipal level and provincial governments AGAIN united on US protectionism with expanding free trade into our blocked markets.

    Why is Dalton McGuinty letting his 2nd in command rebuke the Federal liberals over EAP?

    Dalton personally stepped in this week over H1N1 over the cheap shots and finger pointing.

    Dalton may be making mistakes, but he is NOT running away from the HST debate. He is standing up and explaining his position and why it is the “right thing to do”.

    Dion explained why Greenshift was the “Right thing to do” as well.

    The same criticism against Dion is now being applied to MI.

    Will he be able to recover from the 10% gap before an election is called on the January 2010 budget?

  19. CS:

    Look up “paragraph” in a dictionary. You shall find it in the “P” section.

  20. SF

    look in the mirror are the Pollster hacks for the CPC? Nanos a “con-troll”?
    In four years, an election in the HOC how many Bills have the opposition introduced? How many from the Liberals to challenge the CPC policy?

    In a minority the government can only stand if they have the confidence of the house. The voting record is clear the Liberals are the biggest supporters of the CPC agenda.

    Link to back up statement.

    http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/

  21. Canadiansense — You don’t like Liberals. We get it.

    However, your assertions don’t really hold up under scrutiny. For example, you claim there’s “a slow and incremental shift away from Socialist Big Government Ottawa knows better mindset.” And yet, the plain and indisputable FACT of the matter is that government has grown significantly under the so-called “Conservatives” (even before the orgy of “stimulus” spending, it should be added).

    So, if indeed there’s an “incremental shift” away from such things you describe… then where exactly is that political sentiment currently residing? Certainly not in the “Conservative” Party, I would suggest.

  22. Bruce

    Good of you to point out that growth in government Martin, because that’s precisely what is going to be reversed now that the opposition is effectively neutered and unable to come up with anything resembling policy other than their same old tired out red book promises that have never kept.

    A reduction of 10-20% in the civil service will go a long way to balancing the books in the next few years.

    Cheers

    Bob

  23. Someone named “Bob” logs on as “Bruce”… Hmmm. A bit confused, are you? Can’t keep your online sock-puppets in order…

    Why not just settle on an identity and stick with it… Or is that asking too much?

    By the way, which 1 in 5 civil servants do you want to start axing?

  24. So what should we reduce by 10-20%? Health Canada? Border Services? The Military? Infrastructure?

    The reduction in the civil service that happened under Paul Martin’s watch may have kept Canada from being on the IMF watchlist, but services were pretty threadbare when they were over.

    It’s always pleasurable to beat up on the civil service, because they are nameless faceless “bureaucrats” who don’t do anything, but I rarely hear what those who do it are willing to live without.

  25. Bob Bruce

    The names Bob Bruce if you really want to know Martin. Or you can call me BB for short.

    And one in ten or one in five, it doesn’t really matter does it?

    There are way too many perpetual coffee breakers.

    However, as you ask the prudent way is to let the numbers deplete through attrition and add their (uh-hum)workload onto their colleagues so as they might just start achieving something resembling an honest days work that is comparable to the private sector.

  26. Bob Bruce

    toujoursdan, I have dealt with many of your faceless bureaucrats face to face and believe me I know of what I speak, many are so lazy to the point of being such useless sacks of crap it’s disgusting that they get a pay cheque at all.

  27. CWTF

    YAPW — I thought I was being more than fair. Do you have a reading disability, perhaps?
    More like comprehension problem…

  28. Ti-Guy

    I have dealt with many of your faceless bureaucrats face to face and believe me I know of what I speak…

    The two-faced Bob Bruce faced the faceless bureaucrats face-to-face.

    Thanks, Boob. Made my day.

  29. …because anecdotal evidence is all we need to make policy decisions.

  30. Bob Bruce

    Less government is better government………….

  31. Bob Bruce

    Ti-Girl is easily amused………….

  32. Bob Bruce

    toujoursdan, are you a civil servant?

  33. A reduction of 10-20% in the civil service will go a long way to balancing the books in the next few years.

    Ah, the perennial neocon “anti-government” yodeling–as familiar, predictable and pathetic as a weeping drunkard slurring his way through “Danny Boy” just after last call at the Fox and Feather.

    It puts me in mind of the Mulroney/Campbell era’s “public service review”, designed to streamline government through colossal efficiencies and redundancies. The result? By 1993, our national debt was approaching 90% of GDP. It took an election, and Chrétien’s testicles, to deliver meaningful civil-service cuts.

    Meanwhile, Harper has shovelled even more cash into an already-bloated government without facing the slightest political necessity, adding insult to injury with some of the most risibly disgraceful Senate appointments in decades (Mike Duffy’s Parliamentary cafeteria expenses alone could fund the construction of a new nuclear submarine fleet).

    And, despite all of this, Bob the Bruce has the sheer gall to offer Harper up as some kind of fearless bureaucrat slayer. Clearly, current CPC polling numbers haven’t been kind to Harperoids: it’s made them intellectually even lazier than they were two years ago. They’re just not trying anymore. That’s a shame.

    Less government is better government…

    Thus, none is best. Somalia seems to be just about your speed, Bob. Bon voyagee, and don’t send us a postcard…

  34. Moebius

    Governments spending money like drunken sailors. What a surprise. The media calculating who specifically is getting the tax dollars! How exciting!

    I don’t really care anymore, I’m abandoning my right to vote to anyone who’ll pay good money to me on eBay for it.

  35. Ti-Guy

    They’re just not trying anymore.

    When have they ever tried? Seriously, when was the last time any of these buffoons said anything that made any goddamn sense?

  36. Moebius

    Some of us believe mistakes will be made and projects that are not necessary will be funded.

    You sound like Chretien, incarnate.

  37. I’m abandoning my right to vote to anyone who’ll pay good money to me on eBay for it.

    You expect good money for the right to vote in a Canadian election? If your definition of “good money” is a few bucks and change, you’ll not be disappointed.

  38. Bob Bruce

    SF, you have an unhealthy obsession with male genitalia, as for the Cretch cutting the civil service, the Fibs more than made up for those cuts with the Long Gun Registry, the so called Private Foundations, etc., etc………………

    Sometime in 2010 the Fibs will lose control of the Senate, the triple EEE is still favoured by most in the Conservative Party, I myself prefer abolishing the archaic institution and the savings to taxpayers that would bring.

    In closing SF, suck on that you useless gasbag…….

  39. Ti-Guy

    I’m going to start sock-puppetting…

  40. …you have an unhealthy obsession with male genitalia…

    Thanks for the concern, you anorchid dickwit.

    …suck[!] on that you useless gasbag.

    “Gasbag”. Heh. You steal from the best, but you’re still a dickwit…and clearly obsessed with fellatio; perhaps trying it will dampen the manic effects of your tenuously repressed fear and loathing.

    On second thought, just go find something dangerous to do, and do it recklessly. There’s a good lad.

  41. How does restoring some of the cuts from the 1990’s Liberals in Healthcare, Education Social Services to the province not reflect a more caring, pragmatic, and sensible role in Federal vs Provincial relationship?

    My bias is supported by Kevin Page in his Reports on the largest spending from the Federal Government. Restoring the funding under the Liberals in the military, delivering on the promises to Africa.

    Is this an example of what you mean by the CPC growing the Gov’t?
    http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ai/mr/nr/j-a2008/2-2986-eng.asp

    Can you list 3-4 specific areas the growth of Government under the CPC that are “socialist” in nature before during after the EAP orgy?

    Socialism decline
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/europe/29socialism.html?_r=2

  42. Can you list 3-4 specific areas the growth of Government under the CPC that are “socialist” in nature…?

    Why do that, when I need only mention the ways the CPC has maintained the “socialist” (or social-democratic) status quo? Harper happily presides over socialised health-care and provincial equalisation systems that he is loath to reform according to free-market principles; in fact, oil-rich provinces saw more of their revenues confiscated under Harper than under Martin–just so Harper could bribe Québec.

    Ayn Rand would not have been amused.

  43. SF,

    You demand the CPC in minority gov’t try to reform the equalization program?

    SF did Harper make a mistake in the equalization program?

    Was Quebec wrong to recieve the $ 700 million?

    What was the official position from the opposition from the Liberals or the NDP?

    a) Equalization Program/Formula is flawed?

    Please link the position opposed by MI or Jack.

    In a minority gov’t how was the drunken sailor capable of honouring the equalization “imbalance” of $ 700 million?

    a) Opposition agreed and voted for it?
    b) Opposition forgot to show to oppose it?

    Remind me again what your party did via votes and their official position with links.

    Simple math problem CPC only have 143 seats and every time they are making a mistake and spending money some PARTY stands up and cheers on the spending.

  44. Ti-Guy

    Simple math problem CPC only have 143 seats and every time they are making a mistake and spending money…

    Balto-Slavic.

  45. What was the official position from the opposition from the Liberals or the NDP?…Remind me again what your party did via votes and their official position with links.

    CS, you’re new around here, so, as tired as I am of reminding people of this, I shall bring you up to speed politely: I’m not a Liberal, nor a Dipper. I’m a Tory.

    For the record, I fully support equalisation and am glad it is part of our constitution. I also support socialised health-care. My points are that they both happen to be fundamentally socialist programmes–by any definition–and that no government that funds them can evade being described as functionally socialist.

    Now an ideologically neoliberal party may resent having to violate its principles because of the practical necessities brought on by the responsibilities of government. It may force free-market grace notes onto other aspects of public policy. It may sabotage redistributive mechanisms as a way of creating a crisis and forcing reform along ideologically friendly lines. This is all true.

    But, ultimately, if there are few meaningful differences in fiscal policy and priorities between a government party and an Opposition party that is oft-described by its neoliberal detractors as “socialist”, than that government is, frankly, socialist–even if it finds a way to cut a million from this program and another million from that one.

  46. SF

    I listed specific areas of responsibility of the Federal Government Spending that show respect for provincial vs Federal division of powers.

    Kevin Page Reports on the “increased costs” adding Billions to our debt.

    I highlighted a specific Program regarding Aboriginals clean drinking water.

    They inherited a problem of neglect for years and have made substantial progress on that file.

    If Kevin Page has reported the increased rate transfers by the current federal government is “substantial” and you list equalization of $ 700 million to QC can you explain how those programs are “socialist” in nature.

    These programs are the responsibility of the Federal Gov’t? Did you expect the CPC to cut funding into those programs with the problems existing based on an idealogical position?

    It is late here and this post might be unclear. I am not following your critique.

    Finally I was under the impression Tories are not CPC.

    I never voted Tory was a Liberal until GST budget vote JC threw out my MP in York Weston.

  47. BB

    SF, if anything is an idiot……………………….

  48. …can you explain how those programs are “socialist” in nature.

    CS, socialism is the process of centrally managing a national economy, a key component of which is the redistribution of wealth. There is a spectrum of “socialisms”, of course, but a nation that massively re-allocates privately acquired income for the sake of state aims certainly fits comfortably on that spectrum.

    Did you expect the CPC to cut funding into those programs…?

    I most certainly did not. The old Reform/Alliance constituency most certainly did, however, having laboured under the delusion that Harper could bring his National Citizens’ Coalition incarnation into government.

    Finally I was under the impression Tories are not CPC…

    Your impression is all too accurate, mate. I wish the media, who still insist on using “Tory” to describe those oafs, would see things our way.

  49. Speaking of oafs…

    What you wanted to say, you ditch-delivered slackwit, was, “SF [is], if anything[,] an idiot”. That is a complete declarative sentence and would have flung forth your pitiably damp squib in a manner nearly worthy of adult speech.

    What you gave me was a sentence fragment that merely proposes the first part of a question–the clause “if anything is an idiot” setting up the first condition.

    Don’t bother completing the sentence. Just start looking for that dangerous thing I told you to do…recklessly.

  50. SF — It always amuses me to see how much vehement ire you seem to draw from commenters ostensibly on the “right” — something that defies the conventional paradigm of political allegiance. Fact of the matter is that today’s mongrel breed of so-called “conservatives” despise actual Tories with almost as much passion as they do Liberals.

  51. Red:

    What people like me have to deal with is the fact that the jargogled herd who trample over my hijacked party cleave to a dead-eyed Frankenconservatism stitched together from the disinterred limbs of crank focus-grouped “populism”, Rovian smear-jobbing, and Mulroneyesque pork-barrelling–all designed to let Canada’s frustrated, fearful, self-loathing guttersnipes know that someone is on their side.

    I wear their hatred as a badge of honour.

  52. SF,

    I believe a large swath of us don’t vote on idealogical grounds.
    We are also not hung up on “labels”. We think all politicians are self-serving.

    We move from party to party when our sensibilities have been challenged. Some moved on GST, Gun Registry, Greenshift, Scandals, changes to same sex marriage laws, etc.

    Loyalty to the party “in power” when you enter the country. I don’t think the “sponsorship” scandal in itself was responsible for the decline over the years of popular support for the Liberal Party. Martin in 2004 had 37.6%, fell to 30%. Dion took over and took it to 26.3%. Now MI has been driving the bus and has effectively repeated and ended the “honeymoon” in less than 12 months.

    During a recession, 10 faux scandals, significant deficit spending at all levels (EAP-deal).

    Is the attempt of ending the Gun Registry is by the CPC an example of an attack of “socialism” or just the fact bad policy at taxpayers expense should be shelved and is being used as a wedge issue to divide sensible voters who did not see any value in creating an inaccurate database?

    A Paper from SFU examining Gun Registry
    http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/papers/registration/Fraser-Institute22104.ppt.pdf

    Did Pet state, the state has no business in the bedroom?

    What business does the state have in trying to count and collect fees on guns?

  53. TofKW

    “Did Pet state, the state has no business in the bedroom?
    What business does the state have in trying to count and collect fees on guns?”

    Wow, there’s a stretch. Attempting to compare government attempts at dictating morality with a public safety issue. Apples and oranges my friend.

  54. UU4077

    Okay, so the Harper gov’t should start reducing the size of government. How be they start by cutting the largest federal cabinet in history in half. And then, let’s show some leadership by all MP’s reducing their (incomprehensiblely huge) compensation by 25% (after all, they’re supposed to be working for US, not for themselves) . And, have the MPs change their (technically illegal in terms of benefits provided) pensions into RRSPs like the rest of the (self-employed) working world.

  55. Tokw,

    what is the “stretch”?

    Are the majority of Canadians are problem for Government?

    Are the majority of Canadians who own a gun a problem?

    Ottawa creep into rights of its citizens should be a concern.

    Do you have a —>study<— empirical evidence that prior the Gun Registry that makes the CASE for "Ottawa Creep" into adding more regulation?

    “The goal of the new regulations is … to help
    keep Canada safe… [and]to prevent violence.”
    Allan Rock, Justice Minister, Nov. 27, 1996
    “..the Firearms Program is improv(ing) public
    safety in Canada.”
    Martin Cauchon, Justice Minister, Dec. 3, 2002
    “The goal of the (firearms) program is to
    protect Canadians from violence…”
    Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan, Jan. 2004

    Now bring the evidence leading to it's introduction.

  56. Omar

    Um, Canadiansense, your comment doesn’t make any. I think you need to learn the definition of the ‘idiom’ apples and oranges.

  57. Ti-Guy

    She also needs to learn how to format paragraphs.

  58. TofKW

    CS – Trudeau’s decriminalization of homosexuality back in the 60’s (as Justice Minister under Pearson) has absolutely nothing to do with the supposed ‘rights infringements’ the gun registry is said to cause legal gun owners.

    Revenue Canada has much more intrusive and invasive information on all of us than any registry (gun, car or pet), so where is the great populist revolution against income tax? Actually that one I would join in, as I’ve been advocating the complete abolition of income taxes for years now – to be replaced by a flat, sharp increase in the GST plus some targeted increases in corporate taxes. But that’s the difference between people like me, true Tory-conservatives who prefer taxes to be transparent and simple, placing them on consumption rather than stifling innovation, and don’t automatically consider them as some sort of evil theft from the public; versus the wing-nut populists that have stolen their party out from under them.

    Funny you keep mentioning that you left the Liberals after the GST-flip. I was happy the Grits grew up and admitted that a value-added tax was preferable to the old hidden manufacturers sales tax it replaced. Vindication that the PC’s created the right tax, just implemented at the wrong time.

  59. TkW

    John Nunziata earned my vote for two more campaigns. Judy Sgro was brought in and lost, Alan Tonks (former mayor) was brought in and now safely holds the riding for the Liberals.

    The removal of the my MP for keeping his promise on the GST was a simple decision. I voted for John Nuziata over the Liberals.

    Those voters dumped the party when John Casey went against his party.

    The Independent QC candidate?

    The MP is responsible first and foremost to his constiuents in getting elected and re-elected to represent their views.

    Did my MP promise to scrap the GST? yes did his party yes. Sheila was the only other MP who did the honourable thing and resign and re-won her seat over the backlash.

    Did JC apologize or even admit he never planned to follow through? His official position on GST is he never promised to scrap it and Free Trade.

    Apparently some MP’s were making stuff up without authorization. (Party line?)

    I never voted for the PC or right of centre parties until I moved to Mississauga. As a resident of York South Weston I voted for Bob Rae and did not agree with him 100% but did not abandon him because of Rae days.

    Do I blame him for the deep deficit and lack of “fiscal” restraint he left Ontario after the Federal Liberals gutted Ontario? Nope.

    Context what was happening during that time, recession, high interest rates?

    Looking at the provincial governments are the Liberals in BC liberal, Manitoba are they NDP?

    I don’t get hung up on the “label” but focus on the issues and candidate in my riding.

    The CPC are the closest to my position on many issues. Does that mean I support every decision ? Nope.

    I would prefer more Fiscal Restraint. Can you point to the length of debate on the Auto bailout and what party put the taxpayer first?

    What has had more time, questions from the opposition:

    1) $ 10 + Billion to auto
    2) $ 100 million advertising on EAP

    Are any of the parties talking about those Billions anymore?

    Is a non crisis, NHL players jumping the queue a “federal” problem?

    or

    Is it a coordination problem between provincial and local health officials?

    I don’t “fear” a hidden agenda or the destruction of Canada by the CPC.

    I don’t believe in the hysteria of H1N1, and the games from the opposition.

    The Polls support my sentiment. The opposition are not doing their job. (Namely the Liberals).

  60. Ti-Guy

    Why is it that Conservatives are blaming the Liberals for everything the Conservatives have done?

    I really think the idea of disenfranchising certain people for a limited period should be revisited.

    I don’t even think I’m joking about this anymore.

  61. TofKW — I’d echo that sentiment when it comes to the GST flip-flop. While it’s easy to impute the most cynical motives to that dramatic reversal of position, Chrétien did actually try to figure out ways to nullify it after his election, but from what I’ve read on the subject, all the advice he got back from the economists tasked with working out the implications of its repeal concluded it would make absolutely no sense to do so — the result being that he’d have to man-up and break his promise even though he’d be viciously excoriated for it.

    Contrast that to Harper who was likewise told it was completely insane to reduce the rate from 7% to 5% to fulfill his reckless campaign promise and yet he proceeded to do it anyway… at the cost of billions of dollars to the Treasury, plunging the government into a deficit position with no significant beneficial impact on the economy.

  62. Canadiansense — You’re right not to get hung up on labels overly much. They don’t really mean a lot in many cases. In fact, that was the original gist behind the contradictory name of this site.

    My sentiments are generally with the Liberals in spirit, but not always so… I have and still do vote all over the political map on an individual basis. At present, I’m not terribly thrilled by any of the federal parties or their leaders and even less so by their provincial counterparts here in B.C.

    Unfortunately, it’s usually a case of selecting the “lesser evil” amongst the candidates on offer.

  63. RedTory,

    I disagree with your assessment in reduction of GST did not have a beneficial impact on the economy.

    It was an example of keeping a promise and helped keep his party in power.

    Canadians believe the CPC are much better and trusted than the Liberals in regards to taxes, economy.

    http://www.nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/140
    Highest Ranked (followed by Second Highest Ranked):

    The economy – Stephen Harper 40.5% (Michael Ignatieff 26.8%)
    The environment – Stephen Harper 21.6% (Jack Layton 21.1%)
    National unity – Stephen Harper 30.1% (Michael Ignatieff 28.1)
    Taxes – Stephen Harper 40.1% (Michael Ignatieff 24.2%)
    Healthcare – Stephen Harper 28.9% (Jack Layton 22.1%)

    The CPC having been re-elected by some voters on keeping their promises. This 2% reduction of $ 15 Billion in general revenue enabled them to dump $ 30 Billion with the cooperation from the Premiers this January 2009 EAP.

    The current gov’t has the support of the Premiers in a coordinated sustained effort in deficit spending.

    When HST is rolled out by the BC and Ontario provinces the 2% reduction will continue to reduce certain taxes.

    Have other jurisdictions followed the consumption tax drop for a specific period of time in an attempt to boost domestic consumption?

    VST

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/Pre-BudgetReport2008/DG_172919

    The Liberal in the 1990’s were much more combative with the provinces and resulted in success refrendum votes in Quebec.

  64. Canadiansense — Aside from citing popular opinion polls, you didn’t address the beneficial impact of the reduction in GST in any substantive way.

    Goody that “Canadians believe the CPC are much better and trusted”… Do you really think that I give a flying fig what people “believe”? Apparently, 20 percent of them “believe” the Sun revolves around the Earth and an alarmingly higher percentage “believes” that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, that “sin” was introduced into the world by a talking snake, and so on. People “believe” in a lot of strange things…

    As for the Brits’ VAT reduction, I said it at the time and will repeat it now: Dumb! But there’s also a significant difference. That was promulgated as a temporary measure from the outset — a tactic that might be argued provided an artificial spending incentive. The Harper Conservative reductions were rolled out as “permanent” (as much as these things can be) structural reduction in consumption tax.

  65. RT,

    thank you for the insight regarding the naming of your site. I was told by some people who call themselves “redtories” they were social tories with fiscal conservatives views.

    What do you think are the pressing problems with the BC provincial governments?

  66. RT,

    our system is based on parties making a “case” for something and for opponents to support or attack it.

    Voters decided they want to believe in the CPC version of reality.

    When voters are no longer interested in that reality, they can send the CPC to the penalty box.

    It is how our system works. The consensus supports the CPC narrative at this time.

    During the 1990’s many voters believed in the Liberal narrative. For many reasons voting blocks started to leave that narrative.

    Regarding the Economists, I am not sure everyone was talking from the same song sheet.

    Why is a 2% “permanent” reduction of $ 15 billion in consumption taxes a substantial issue? The case was made before the voters and the CPC were returned with more seats while the LPOC were reduced to their worst pop since 1867.

    The opposition parties can propose to increase the GST back, they are free to make their “case” on new taxes today.

    RT,

    I don’t think a loss of $ 15 Billion in revenue is a substantial issue on a longer term basis for the Federal Government.

    (The Payroll Tax – self sustaining ) from a Crown Corp recommended an increase estimated at $ 13 Billon?

    HST is expected to raise Billions for the Federal coffers?

    **I think the Federal Government is too big and could use more reductions.

    Do we have another “federal” party that is proposing to downsize or spend less money? I don’t see any alternatives do you?

    In comparison to other countries we are holding up rather well.
    http://www.fin.gc.ca/ec2009/ec04-eng.asp

  67. Omar

    I think one of the pressing problems with the BC provincial government is they are too far-right.

    They are not really a Liberal spirited government at all.

    Although one could argue they are ideologically neo-liberal in their mindset and this reflects in their policies.

    British Columbians seems to swing wildly from left to right depending on which way the wind blows.

    I wish they would stop this.

    It’s embarrassing.

  68. Canadiansense — In a very loose and general sense, I’m a social “liberal” and a fiscal “conservative” with some radical libertarian tendencies thrown into the mix. Not sure if that comports with the traditional definition of a “Red Tory” as outlined by George Grant and others, but as the political brand has become somewhat archaic and widely despised in our discourse these days, I’m happy to adopt it as a matter of convenience and manipulate the term for my own purposes. In truth, the name was adopted for American political forums to reflect a moderate position of a Canadian that eschewed the left/right paradigm.

    To answer your question, above all, the most “pressing problem” with the BC provincial government as I see it is its autocratic, anti-democratic and non-transparent demeanor with which it conducts business. In previous years we at least had a pretense of open debate, disclosure, and accountability. Now, everything seems to be conducted behind closed-doors and even the legislature itself is shuttered and completely silent for most of the year…

  69. Omar Liberal spirited, what does that mean?

  70. Omar

    I don’t know what “Omar Liberal spirited” means.

  71. Candiansense — Unfortunately, I can’t spend all day addressing your numerous and somewhat aimless questions. As I said, I’m unimpressed by all the federal parties these days and don’t see a reasonable alternative to the policies on offer — that’s why I frequently end up voting for the Green Party of late. Kind of a default “none of the above” position, I guess.

    I’d very much like to see a federal government that was leaner, more responsive and generally efficient in its operation. I think almost everyone would be on board with that sentiment. Same goes for provincial governments… Not to mention corporations. Let’s not forget that when it comes to piling on useless layers of unproductive bureaucracy, corporations aren’t all that much better in this regard.

  72. Omar

    I’d like to see the Bloc Quebecois run a candidate in my riding. They’d have my vote as they consistently come down on the side of issues I hold dear. Even their stance on this shaky confederation is one I’d embrace if this ‘new’ conservatism ends up becoming the preferred party for Canadians to want in government.

  73. “Liberal spirited” — Artificial restoration a “level-playing field” of economic fairness by democratic fiat to the so-called free-market system that often gets badly skewed out of kilter by the corrupting influence of wealthy monopolistic entities with a vested self-interest in callously promoting their own selfish objectives at the cruel expense and merciless exploitation of others.

  74. Omar — I suspect that the BQ would have widespread support across Canada. They certainly align more closely with my political sentiments than any other party. Not to mention that Gilles Duceppe is charming in either language…

  75. Ti-Guy

    Just don’t bring Les Héritiers de Lord Durham in front of Gilles.

  76. Quand la langue devient code, elle est dépoulléee de ce qui en fasaint un space de liberté de culrure et de pensée, soit de sa tradition littéraire porteuse d’imagineaire.

    You’re bad… 😉

  77. Ti-Guy

    That’s pretty good Red. You’re a natural.

    I don’t trust Gilles Duceppe or the Bloc. I’ve never trusted the sovereigntists and I was vindicated just after the 1995 referendum, when a few of my soft-sovereigntist friends reacted to Parizeau’s “l’argent et le vote ethnique” with “on s’est fait avoir.”

  78. RT, Omar

    Some of us have a problem with a separatist party.

    I am constantly bombarded from the opposition how the curent government is pitting region agaist region.

    Everytime I watch QP, I am reminded how one party is demanding more money for their province in every category: Arts, Culture, Forestry and that Alberta and Ontario are being treated better.

    I don’t see any other party attack Alberta’s Resources, Ontario Manufacturing on a consistent basis as much as the Bloc.

    RT,

    I did not argue the CASE for benefits to the economy of the 2% GST cut those talking points on available on the web.

    My point was —>voters decide who made the best Case by showing up to and marking their preference on the ballot.

    The CPC are winning the “Case” atm and the dysfunctional opposition are not making a CASE that I or many like me can understand or support.

    A single Poll means nothing. My observation of support is based on the loss of support for the Liberal Narrative since 2004 Martin 37.6%, 30.3%, 26.3% all were “official” Polls.

    I don’t think the government is making every decision for altruistic purposes. I am confident some are for pure political gain.

    That being said that narrative is more compelling for the majority who are being polled between “official” polls.

  79. Omar

    ..”never trusted the sovereigntists”…

    But, they’re not really a sovereignist movement at the moment, are they? I get the sense that the majority of Quebeckers who vote for them do so to have a firm voice in Ottawa and not as a separation tool to remove the province from Confederation. If that’s the case, then the Bloc is a more of a federalist party. I think it would be advantageous for every province to have a ‘Bloc’ party. A Nova Scotia Party fighting for all things provincial in Ottawa sounds pretty good to me.

  80. Ti-Guy

    I think it would be advantageous for every province to have a ‘Bloc’ party.

    How would you feel about an Ontario Party? And not the Ontario you might be thinking of, but the one the current Conservative Party represents?

  81. Canadiansense — If you believe the Conservatives are winning their “case” (whatever it may be) then so be it… Perhaps they are, for the moment at least.

    Many of us, however, remain unconvinced or even adamantly opposed to their argument (which is wholly incoherent and/or ideologically ridiculous).

    So go with the flow and enjoy the ride, until such time when you crash and burn.

    p.s. Some questions…

    1) Who said a single poll means anything?

    2) Why are you equating popular support for the Liberals with some nebulous kind of “narrative”?

    3) What is the Conservative “narrative” these days?

  82. Omar

    Well, I don’t think I’d like that very much. Christ almighty, are progressives a dying breed in this fucking country? Where did it all go wrong?!

  83. I think it would be advantageous for every province to have a ‘Bloc’ party.

    Sadly, that is precisely what most provincial governments have become–obstructionist, parochial, and anti-national. They are “provincial” in the worst sense.

    I’m genuinely unable to discern a meaningful difference between the Parti Québecois and the Albertan P.C.’s in respect of their overall national vision. They’re both solipsistic parasites.

    How would you feel about an Ontario Party?…the one the current Conservative Party represents?

    We’ve already had one. They were called the “Progressive Conservatives” and were led by a bumptious churl named Mike Harris.

    To be quite candid, the more patience I lose with the Bloc, the PQ, and fractious arrivistes like the moronic and semi-separatist Wildrose Alliance, the friendlier I become to the notion of a Bloc-like “Ontario Party”–one committed to an authentically Confederation vision of this country, a vision which appears to exist in critical mass only in Ontario and the Maritimes, with scattered and demoralised outposts everywhere else.

    What is the Conservative “narrative” these days?

    “Once upon a time, Canada was founded. But it blew huge horse cocks. Fortunately, much, much later, a svelte, brilliant, non-asthmatic patriot brought the country to its senses by making it ashamed of its 150-year-old tradition of blowing huge horse cocks. Now, Canada no longer blows huge horse cocks. And everyone will live happily ever after, as long we all keep blowing Stephen Harper instead of those horses he weaned us off of. The end.”

  84. RT,

    I don’t rely on a single Poll. I have been reading the Anatomy of the Liberal Defeat. I have been watching the slow and gradual loss of voting blocks for years from the Liberals.

    http://ces-eec.mcgill.ca/documents/Anatomy%20of%20a%20Liberal%20Defeat.pdf

    I have watched the CPC target and craft almost a niche marketing campaign into getting our their base and voting blocks.

    What ridings would Kenney be targetting?
    http://www.punditsguide.ca/2008/07/what-ridings-would-kenney-be-targetting.php

    OBAMA and his Chicago “machine” did the same thing and won back key states by overwhelming their opponent.

    The Comparitive Advantage the Democrats had over the Republicans was responsible. The Democrats learned from their mistakes and slowly built up their machine.

    The end result they control and have a majority in the House, Senate and the Executive Branch.

    In January the CPC will have the majority in the Senate.

    In the next election if the unofficial Polls continue to hold a 10% gap before an election starts I anticipate a 13-14% official poll gap.

    RT,
    regarding the CPC narrative please refer to the CPC party website.

    For each voting block a small part of the CPC party might be important. I can’t speak on behalf of Canadians or each voting block.

    A recent Poll showed a significant Gap in Seniors shifting the CPC. Why ?

    Again refer to the Party website and look at their talking points.

    Having the best mousetrap does not guarantee it will succeed. You also need to have a buyer.

    Betamax lost to VHS.

    The Liberals might be the “betamax” to the CPC VHS at this time!

  85. Canadiansense — Whatever… To be honest, I’m thoroughly disinterested by the political fray at the moment. Have fun backing the Conservatives and whatever it is they stand for, but please, for the love of God, stop trying to evangelize your desperate faith in the Dear Leader and his imagined “principles”… It’s wearisome and tedious beyond belief.

  86. Ti-Guy

    Christ almighty, are progressives a dying breed in this fucking country? Where did it all go wrong?!

    With so-called “progressives” entertaining the fatuous nonsense of trolls like NonCanadianNonsense, to begin with.

    So-called “progressives” love nothing more than wasting their time educating the ineducable.

    Sir Francis….J’Accuse!

  87. SF — “bumptious churl”… LOL Spot on!

  88. Ti-Guy — Well, I could, as our “conservative” friends frequently do, simply “moderate” objectionable, unflattering, or dissenting voices out of existence… But that would be rather dull, don’t you think?

  89. Ti-Guy

    But that would be rather dull, don’t you think?

    As opposed to the cookie-cutter, entirely predictable rhetoric we’re exposed to now?

    Anyway, I’m trying to start a fight with SF. I’m still waiting for a response to this comment, the one I left on his blog in a discussion of…*urg*….i>post-structuralism:

    “their way of reading pushes texts to the limit but only because the texts are doing the pushing.”

    And that’s certainly easily proved when you can fabricate language to demonstrate that.

    I don’t know; I’m not an ignorant person. Yet, I’ve just never been persuaded that a text can (or should) have any more meaning than what its originator intended, either consciously, evidence for which can be easily provided or subconsciously, which limited interpretation, hopefully supported by meta-narrative evidence or, at the very least, clear and sound reason can demonstrate.

    I suppose I’m just too utilitarian to see the point to all of this, especially as it has pushed out more conventional forms of analysis for undergrad core curriculum. leading to astonishingly confused, mystifying and post-literate university graduates, who then go on to write The Architectonics of Semiotics.

    He flounced off and didn’t come back for months.

  90. RT,

    I have tried to limit the “pablum” from the party and have even pointed you to their website for more specific talking points.

    As a single voter I have an opinion have read some studies that point to shifts and not a single bad tv spot or a poor campaign.

    I don’t need to defend the CPC. I have shed some light when asked directly by you or others.

    RT many of us are unhappy with the lack of serious discourse between political parties.

    I have forwarded links from non-partisan sites regarding some of the analysis. I am not sure exactly what you require for peace of mind.

  91. So-called “progressives” love nothing more than wasting their time educating the ineducable.

    Sir Francis….J’Accuse!

    “So-called ‘progressives'” may indeed be afflicted with that species of amour fou. I’m not aware that I and my fellow reactionaries are overfond of the fore-defeated attempt to make men out of slime-bred amoebae.

    At all events, I’ve not yet caught the technique of spying the ineducable before having given them a fighting chance to prove themselves otherwise.

    Perhaps this devotion to what someone once called the “bleak magnificence of endless hope” has come from years of watching sullen-faced, apparently profoundly indifferent twenty-one-year-olds spend four months in open-mouthed catatonia before my lectern only to have them hand in their exams with joyful tales about how much they’ve learned and how they’ve just signed up for more of my classes, sending me home with a happy inclination to put off my plan to swallow that bottle of Demerol with a Smirnoff chaser–if only for another term.

  92. Ti-Guy

    I am not sure exactly what you require for peace of mind.

    463 more comments oughta do it.

  93. Candiansense — Not to worry. I’m just generally unsatisfied with the political discourse these days and have given up hope attempting to settle on any party that I’m entirely comfortable with. You’ve apparently thrown your lot in with the Conservatives… Well, good luck with that.

    I really have no dog in the fight, but as I said, am generally inclined towards the Liberals for pragmatic and, to be honest, quite sentimental considerations (even though they frequently disappoint and consternate me from an idealistic standpoint). If a principled, rock-ribbed Conservative with integrity came along I’d e more than happy to support him/her, but I doubt such a creature can exist in the present environment of partisan politics.

    So for the time being, I stand on the sidelines, for the most part just expressing my withering contempt for all of their endless douchebaggery, amoral connivance, and filthy little games.

  94. He flounced off and didn’t come back for months.

    Now, I’m a perceptive reader, so I get the implication here, but I think some slight revision is in order for our duller lurkers.

    “He crawled away from a fight, whilst suffering a credibility-threatening mental haemorrhage–not because he wasn’t critically interested in pursuing the line of discussion in question, and not because he was undergoing real-life crises to which he animadverted when he resumed blogging–but because he could not withstand the crushing power of the arguments with which I had been annihilating him before his cowardly flight from the field of honour”.

    Is that more like it? 😉

    Good. Well now, allow me to give you the response I’ve owed you for so long. Post-Modernism bores me, frankly–and I am not one of its partisans. I do see it as an intellectually legitimate product of the historical unfolding of Western metaphysics, and I think many of its critics are ill-informed. I would say the same thing about Nietzsche.

    I think it is very vulnerable to attack, and I have often exploited those vulnerabilities in (sometimes heated) discussions with post-Modern militants, most of who–like all dogmatic fanatics–absolutely refuse to acknowledge the transparently obvious. In fact, my boredom with the whole matter is almost certainly a product of having lived and worked in an environment where I’ve been forced into such debates on a literally daily basis for over a decade. Do you have any idea how tempting a target a practising Catholic makes for young, aggressive Derrideans looking to make their bones in front of the other “cool” guys? Yeah, the Department Christmas parties are huge fun for me.

    If you want to see the embodiment of “ineducable”, try debating philosophy with a goateed twenty-seven-year old with “différence” tattooed on his forearm (and, yes, he exists).

    And cut me some fucking slack. If I “flounce off” for months, it’s because I’m with either the Trappists or my analyst…again.

  95. SF — At all events, I’ve not yet caught the technique of spying the ineducable before having given them a fighting chance to prove themselves otherwise.

    As a pedagogue, I would have thought Ti-Guy would have appreciated the generous latitude of doubt… A beneficent premise of the whole exercise, one might venture to surmise. But then, who am I to say…? Being a hopelessly incorrigible student from the outset, my interests were always more concerned with actively subverting authority than seriously understanding its repressive motivations.

  96. Ti-Guy

    . Do you have any idea how tempting a target a practising Catholic makes for young, aggressive Derrideans looking to make their bones in front of the other “cool” guys?

    A bit

    And cut me some fucking slack. If I “flounce off” for months, it’s because I’m with either the Trappists or my analyst…again.

    I will never cut you any slack. You are at your best when you are challenged.

    Thank you for that comment, SF. You are a treat to read.

  97. “He crawled away from a fight, whilst suffering a credibility-threatening mental haemorrhage–not because he wasn’t critically interested in pursuing the line of discussion in question, and not because he was undergoing real-life crises to which he animadverted when he resumed blogging – but because he could not withstand the crushing power of the arguments with which I had been annihilating him before his cowardly flight from the field of honour.”

    REQUIEM FOR AN INTERMITTENT BLOGGER

    Too funny. Real life has a pesky way of intervening in our rhetorical indulgences…

  98. Where’s Snerd when you need him to bump the count > 100…?

  99. Allow me to demand that we maintain the thread count at 99, thereby destroying the very object of the appeal.

    It’s, like, all postmodernist and shit… 😉

  100. How ironical, Mr. #100. 🙂

  101. Ti-Guy

    It’s, like, all postmodernist and shit…

    Don’t push it, you…you..obscurantist! 😉

  102. Tomm

    RT,

    102 posts. Really generated some adrenalin here.

    I haven’t seen Sir Francis this animated since Fergie came through town.

    To go back to your original point…

    “However, …, generally speaking, it doesn’t seem there’s really much of a story here.”

    Precisely.

    You gotta love Gerard’s earnestness, though.

  103. One never really knows what will animate discussion sometimes.

  104. Navvy

    I’m surprised CS’s link on socialism’s decline was allowed to slide.

    The article is about Socialism, not socialism. At the outset the author says:

    Europe’s center-right parties have embraced many ideas of the left: generous welfare benefits, nationalized health care, sharp restrictions on carbon emissions, the ceding of some sovereignty to the European Union. But they have won votes by promising to deliver more efficiently than the left, while working to lower taxes, improve financial regulation, and grapple with aging populations.

    These parties on the euro-right are miles away from the CPC or Republic Party. To suggest that success of centre-right parties in Europe is part of some major international trend that includes Harper’s neo-liberals is all kinds of wrong.

  105. I think CS can be safely ignored henceforward… He’s just trying to pimp his blog.

    http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s28isabella3

    Following in the steps of Patrick Ross, it seems.

  106. RT,

    Interesting rebuke alleging I came here to boost traffic.

    I posted on topic and responded to specific questions and provided links that were not partisan or unsafe.

    The “retreat” of Socialism in Europe can be googled, Michael Coren discussed it on his show and many articles are available from many paper about the loss of seats from the traditional parties. No one is suggesting in one week the decades will be reversed. The economic pressures and rise of “nationalist” parties and voting blocks may only be a temporary shift. Time will tell.

    Some posters believe the Democrats are left of the CPC.

  107. CS — Having been one of the few people to actually check out your blog, I find some implausible inconsistency with your purported narrative about being a former Liberal that had an epiphany, etc. Did you seriously think that would fly here…?

    You’re deeply immersed in the right-wing Kool-Aid®. Which is fine… but don’t try to pretend otherwise.

    As for the “retreat of Socialism” in Europe meme goes, this is a serious misconception and direct parallels are subject to Procrustean misfortune.

  108. TofKW

    The “retreat” of Socialism in Europe can be googled, Michael Coren discussed it on his show…

    No offense CS, but you know nothing of European politics. Both my wife and I are dual-citizens and both eligible to vote in the elections of our parental nations. There are some serious populist and even proto-fascist parties around in some countries, but they don’t generally do better than win 5-10% of the vote and cause problems for ruling coalitions. To take an example I know first hand, in Poland, the ‘conservative’ party there would be the Prawo i Sprawiedliwość (Law & Order) party. They are a band of anti-EU wingnut populists who would love to legislate the country according to Roman Catholic dogma. Though socially conservative, in fiscal matters they make our NDP look like the model of fiscal restraint.

    As for Coren, I’d entertain the debate of Europe becoming more ‘conservative’ if it wasn’t coming from such an unabashed So-Con.

    Some posters believe the Democrats are left of the CPC.

    On this you are correct, and you confirm my point. You shouldn’t try to compare the politics of different nations. US politics have swung heavily to the right and currently make the Dems quite similar to our CPC. Likewise Europe is so far to the left that their ‘conservative’ parties are more similar to our Libs and NDP.

  109. Ti-Guy

    A thoughtful Conservative such as yourself must feel really unrepresented these days, eh TofKW?

  110. TofKW

    Indeed Ti. I would be a firm supporter of the Grits right now, maybe even donate, if only they grew a backbone and showed how exactly they would be different from the CPC. I’m mainly in the Lib camp these days only due to my hope that the CPC will fracture once Harper is gone, and cause the western populists to become the rump they deserve to be. Mind you, at the time the Reform party split off I thought back then it was the best thing that could happen to the PC’s – so my track record it not that hot.

    Two good friends of mine who were card carrying members of the old PC party are now Greens and try to get me involved there. If Jim Harris were still leader I’d consider it more, if anyone could be called a green Tory, it would have been Harris.

    Hope you don’t mind my rambling, but yes it is lonely without a party that represents your views.

  111. Ti-Guy

    I would be a firm supporter of the Grits right now, maybe even donate, if only they grew a backbone and showed how exactly they would be different from the CPC.

    They’re having a really hard time articulating what it is that ardent Liberals have always liked about Liberalism, especially for the politics at the federal level of a country like Canada. It seems to be better able to accommodate complexity and constructive ambiguity. Even explaining that rather simple concept causes any number of our elite spokespeople to start rolling their eyes, so I can understand why they’re currently all seized up. It’s just not what people want to hear these days.

    The only bright spot is that if Ignatieff fails it will be easily attributable to his own weaknesses and not on account of circumstances or lack of opportunity.

    Canada desperately needs a true Conservative Party though for true Conservatives and conservatives (the good kind…one not defined by hypocrisy). Liberalism really isn’t an option.

  112. RT, TofKW

    1) From alleging I came to boost traffic, you now prefer to challenge my voting history for Bob Rae, John Nunziata in York South Weston.

    What was the expression about voting when your young with the NDP, Liberals?

    RT, some of us move between two major parties as we exit our “teens” and start earning a paycheque and raise a family.

    RT, regarding your personal belief of my support for Bob or John is best summed by your “flying fig statement”.

    As the host you are free to make certain guest feel unwelcome. If you wish I avoid posting please try a more direct approach.

    2) On your blog you talk about 100 posts? Note I posted early and got asked questions repeatedly accounting for 25%+ of that volume.

    3) I chose to combine replies to reduce the posts to questions or comments. I chose to ignore obnoxious name calling.

    TofKW
    “No offense CS, but you know nothing of European politics. Both my wife and I are dual-citizens and both eligible to vote in the elections of our parental nations.” (So what!)

    How do you know I don’t have dual citizenship with the country of my parents?

    So you made an assumption, I am missing something you and your wife has and believe that gives you more insight.

    BTW I got dual citizenship to give my children the right to move and work in Europe years ago when the laws changed. (I don’t connect your dots having a right to vote x2 makes you informed)

    I was told at the time I have to check-in with the local police just in case we go to war as I may get drafted. (I had a good laugh)

    Best of luck with Mike Harris or the rebirth of a PC party being restored one day. I have come across a small but angry population of bloggers who are very upset about the demise of the PC party.

  113. Ti-Guy

    Learn how to write in paragraphs, you illiterate moron.

  114. Navvy

    No kidding. I know she’s writing in English, and, at first glance, the sentences seem to make sense, but damned if I can actually remember any of what was written by the time my eyes reach the end.

  115. TofKW

    CS – As for my voting I meant that I’ve taken the effort and participated in two Polish elections, and helped to de-fang the PiS twins (oh, if they only knew what that acronym was similar to in English) as they were an embarrassment to Poles on the international level. As for the draft, one platform where I did agree with PiS was to abolish conscription. I am too old to worry about the service, but yes I’ve dealt with those issues also when I applied for my citizenship back in the late 90’s. The point is I stay in touch with our family there and the national political scene, and it is vastly different from Canada’s. Likewise the other member nations of the EU must be held in the same context. To say that Europe is becoming more ‘conservative’ is to paint with very broad strokes. Even in the UK where Labour’s days are numbers, I wouldn’t consider that to mean that Britain will have become more conservative the day after the Tories finally regain power.

    “Best of luck with Mike Harris or the rebirth of a PC party being restored one day.”

    Good riddance to Mike Harris. It is difficult for me to admit I ever voted for the man, and Hudak (Harris-II) will only win if Dalton seriously screws up (which he may do). John Tory was a good leader but he has the political instincts of a sloth, and the old Harrisites did all they could to harpoon him. I wish him luck in the Toronto mayoral race. If Elizabeth Witmer, or Ted Arnott were leading the Ontario PC’s in 2011 then I’d have a clear choice as to whom I’d be supporting in the next election. As it stands now I may be voting Green. The party of Davis, Robarts & Frost is definitely not what it used to be.

  116. Ti-Guy

    but damned if I can actually remember any of what was written by the time my eyes reach the end.

    Sign of a disorganised mind.

    This person’s a fraud.

  117. Omar

    This person’s a fraud.

    I also think there may be at least one other person writing under the ‘Canadiansense’ pseudonym. Although the non-use of paragraphs is always a consistent, the articulation seems to vary noticeably.

  118. If Jim Harris were still leader I’d consider it more, if anyone could be called a green Tory, it would have been Harris.

    Tokw, my apologies it was a mistake swapping Jim to Mike.

    I only voted for MPP-Bob Rae until he restired in York South Weston. I never voted for a PC federally. It was Liberal-NDP dynamic. JN-MP from Lib to Independent. In Mississauga when I moved I think it was Alliance at the time, don’t remember if PC was on the ballot.

    In Oakville now we have a great MP, have not met him yet but have seen him on CTS-TV show talking about his book.

    My other country has the “playboy” PM.

  119. Ti-Guy

    CTS-TV

    Crossroads Television System: Television for religious lunatics who think family-entertainment consists of Laverne & Shirley re-runs. Not having clued into the fact the Laverne and Shirley were, in actuality, closet lesbians.

  120. Charles brooks

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  121. Woodworking can be a great hobby for people from all walks of life. Whether you are an expert, or are just getting started, there is always something new for you to learn about the woodworking skill. If you like to learn more about this hobby you should read the article that follows below for some great advice.

    The reason why many power tools have guards on them is to keep you safe. Never remove the guards off of any of your tools. You may not understand why they are there, but they are there for a reason. They are there to protect you from sharp blades, moving parts and other things that could potentially hurt you.

    Be realistic about your budget. Sometimes your wallet will restrict what you can actually do. You’re excited to get started only to find out that halfway through you’re not able to afford continuing. Do your homework before starting to avoid surprises.

    When sanding a piece of lumber, a lot of sawdust and debris is produced. To help remove those bits of dust and debris from your project vacuum the area. Then, remove the remaining debris using a tack cloth. Wipe both sides of the lumber to remove all traces of debris for best results.

    Know all about the wood you are getting prior to purchasing it, especially if you plan to stain it. Paint grade indicates that the wood is not of high quality, while stain grade indicates that the wood has a grain pattern that is suitable for staining wood. If using veneer or particleboard, understand that particleboard absorbs a lot of stain while veneer will not absorb as much. Choosing the right wood turns your project into a success.

    Keeping a little ruler inside your pocket is smart, but it could fall out when bending over due to its length. To solve this problem, purchase a metal ruler and keep it next to a small telescoping magnet in your pocket. The magnet will keep the ruler in your pocket at all times.

    As you read at the beginning of this article, there is so much that you can learn about woodworking that you will never know everything. However, even though that is a fact, there is no reason to not try. Now that you read this article you know a little more, and continuing to learn will only lead you to being a better woodworker.

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