H1N1 Emergency “Debate”

Uh oh, seems the Liberals have lapsed back into their solipsistic routine of just showing one side of the so-called “debate” in the House of Commons…

Look, if they don’t like the answers then they shouldn’t bother posting their questions — it’s really just as simple as that. Otherwise, it just makes them appear to be spineless cowards and/or self-serving windbags.

Besides which, this “crisis” over H1N1 is nothing but a lot of overblown hooey and scaremongering media hype. Over 2,700 people died last year of regular old influenza in British Columbia alone… I don’t think people were panicked over that fact in any way at all.



Filed under Liberal Party of Canada, Michael Ignatieff

25 responses to “H1N1 Emergency “Debate”

  1. jackie

    we shall see. deaths in children is higher so far than in regular influenza.

    there was nothing wrong is seeing what the other side had to say. people need to get informed & see what our current government has to say (which isn’t much).

    incompetence. yes!

  2. Probably no point in showing the Cons portion – they all say the same talking points…..all the time.

  3. CWTF

    Nice to see you continue to be an Iggy fluffer Rural…all the time.

    Why does the entire government shift responsibility to the drug companies, to the provinces, to the municipalities, anybody they can instead of standing…..
    Drug companies: Maybe Iggy should be asking how Ken Bossenkool is tied to Harper and GSK…
    That would seem a better line of attack.

    Provinces: Provinces administer heath services in their provinces – not the feds… C’mon Iggy, don’t you understand how Canada works.

    Municipalities: Feels like Iggy is just talking for no reason…

    I agree with Red, what is the point of posting a question and not letting us hear the answer…

  4. Ti-Guy

    I don’t know why Red keeps grumbling about this. You can find the full episodes of Question Period on CPAC.

    Partisan political messaging isn’t about providing the whole truth. I wish it were, but apparently, people react to propaganda and make their decisions based on that.

    And RuralSandi makes a good point. The Conservatives don’t answer the questions, but use them to demonstrate (ie. lie about) how wonderful they are.

  5. CWTF

    Partisan political messaging isn’t about providing the whole truth.
    I’d be happy with 50% of the truth. Sadly, none of the parties seem capable of that.

  6. I keep grumbling about it because the Liberals are making the effort to make these excerpts from QP available to people through their YouTube channel — which is great and I applaud them for that — but they’re not doing it in a way that I feel is honest or forthright by simply presenting one side of the argument. It’s beyond pointless…

    Yes, the whole of QP may well be available on C-PAC and people could suffer through the entire session in order to get the full context of the particular question and answer involved, but who has the time and/or inclination to do that?

  7. And another thing… I take your point about “partisan political messaging” but the format here is Question Period which involves: a) a Question; and b) an Answer. Unfortunately, we’re only getting half of the story and I would think most people are intelligent enough to realize this and regard it as kind of insulting, quite frankly that they’re being deprived of the answer.

    So like I said, either post the whole exchange, or just don’t bother.

    As for Sandi’s point, yes, many times what comes back is some evasive non-answer. But then why for godsake wouldn’t you want to show their slippery responses and dodging of the issue if that’s the case. And then provide information and links in the sidebar explaining and backing up with facts how far the government response is off the mark.

    If the Liberals were serious about this, that’s what they’d do. As it is however, they’re just going though the motions in a really half-assed kind of way.

  8. Ti-Guy

    I thought it should be clear by now that you don’t repeat your adversaries talking points. It just amplifies them and embeds them in people’s rather empty minds.

    You can imagine the effect: The Liberals ask a…let’s assume for arguments sake…very pointed question and the Conservatives provide an evasive answer. The next time anyone of us brings up the same point, up pops a robotic Conservative troll to regurgitate that answer, vowel-by-vowel, consonant-by-consonant.

    Yes, the whole of QP may well be available on C-PAC and people could suffer through the entire session in order to get the full context of the particular question and answer involved

    The episodes are available online. You can fastforward though them.

    I don’t bother. QP is a waste of time when it comes to getting useful information.

  9. Ti-Guy

    I’d be happy with 50% of the truth. Sadly, none of the parties seem capable of that.

    In politics (and pretty much everything these days), it takes a l0ng time for any truth to emerge. I don’t even look for it. I just pay attention to what has been asserted that can’t be substantiated.

    Remember, we’re living in a very psychopathic culture.

  10. CWTF – give it a rest. The point is….the Cons use QP and Statement of Members to campaign on our money. Why help them out?

    I agree with RT that answers should be shown, but only if there are answers instead of campaign rhetoric.

  11. Ti-Guy

    CWTF needs to cheer up a bit. Have you seen this yet, C?

    I’ve been laughing about it since yesterday morning.

  12. Omar

    I think every Canadian should get a genuine Newfoundland sealskin coat with their H1N1 flu shot. Feel good, look good, great for our east economy A triple-play winner!

  13. Ti-Guy

    I think every Canadian should get a genuine Newfoundland sealskin coat with their H1N1 flu shot.

    Sealskin it too showy. I’m more of a long wool-coat type. Classic style, goes with everything. If it buttons right up to the top, no one can tell you threw on a grease-stained t-shirt when you nipped out to get a pack of smokes and the latest Weekly World News

  14. Omar

    Yeah, but who doesn’t want to be cool like Danny Williams?

    Did you see 22 Minutes last night? Mark Critch’s send-up of Williams reacting to Hydro Quebec’s takeover of NB Power was hilarious.

  15. Ti-Guy

    I don’t watch much teevee anymore. I figure I’ll end up watching what’s worth watching eventually.

  16. Omar

    posted three hours ago.

  17. CWTF

    I’ve been laughing about it since yesterday morning.
    Makes two of us.

    Infoman is hilarious.

  18. Ti-Guy

    I couldn’t even begin to understand a thing the geriatrics from the areas east of Montreal to the outskirts of Quebec City said, but what was the rest of what that one young woman said? The one who said “Mon beau-père porte un couteau à sa taille mais…”

    My favourite is “J’suis rendu à cinquante ans. J’suis célibataire. J’ai juste ça à dire.”

  19. CWTF

    The one who said “Mon beau-père porte un couteau à sa taille mais…”
    “mais il habite sur un rang”

  20. Ti-Guy

    Oh ok. Thanks.

  21. Omar — Thanks. I watched that last night (most times I forget to tune into 22 Minutes these days). Hilarious. I also liked the numerous digs at CBC’s “new look” news programming, especially with Critch (is that his name?) doing his impression of Rex Murphy.

  22. Uhh, RT, the actual number of regular flu deaths across Canada is rarely ever higher than 2500, with the average somewhere around 1500.

    And pregnant women don’t die or end up on respirators in Canada normally. Something I am very grateful for! Average maternal and morbidity is up by the hundreds of percent though now because of this flu.

    So yes, it is very different. But even if it weren’t, why is it okay for people to die from an easily preventable disease?

    P.S. Smokers are particularly vulnerable, as well as people with other health issues, like a recent hip operation or a broken rib…..please get a shot. And if you have to wait for it for now, please start taking some vitamin D. You keep tweeting things like peripheral nerve damage and fractured bones, which are signs of serious d deficiency. And BC doesn’t get enough sun, no way it’s enough.)

    Take care.

  23. Aurelia — Thanks for your concern. I wish that I could provide a link to that statistic I threw out, but unfortunately, when searching on Google it’s almost impossible to get past the myriad of posts that all deal with “swine flu” or H1N1 in order to back it up. I was taking the figure from something mentioned in the local alternative newspaper, Monday Magazine.

    Is it off the mark? Does seem a wee bit high, but then we’ve got a disproportionate number of seniors in the province. In the USA, it’s widely reported that approximately 46,000 people die each year from normal influenza. So forget the BC numbers and let’s work with that figure then… Has anyone panicked over the fact that 70 times as many people have died as a result (whether direct or contributory) of that fairly routine annual occurrence than have been killed in Iraq during the course of that conflict?

    All accounts I’ve heard about this flu is that it’s not really much to be concerned about. Which isn’t to say that there aren’t exceptional instances where it may conspire with existing conditions or circumstances to produce a fatal outcome, but is that reason to be exercised about it? I would say not…

    But then, as you pointed out, I’m an inveterate smoker and am therefore by nature more apt to be highly risk-negligent. Does that make me more prone or susceptible to the virus? I’ve not heard anything to that effect but with regards to your comment I wouldn’t dismiss the idea out of hand. Even if it were the case, however, I’d be prone to regard it more as a “challenge” than anything else.

    For the record, I haven’t had influenza for about 20 yrs. and haven’t even had any kind of serious cold that lasted for more than a couple of days for over 5 years… maybe 10. My health battles are more insidious and are fought on other fronts that don’t involve viruses or their bacterial allies.

    If/when the shot is available to low-priority candidates I might swing by a clinic and get a vaccine shot. Until then, I’m completely unconcerned about the whole affair.

  24. RT,

    I was not even implying that you as a smoker were more likely to be negligent about your health. This virus is more likely to “stick” to the lungs and cause serious illness than other traditional strains of the flu, so it makes anyone with compromised lungs more vulnerable to serious illness. Doesn’t matter whether the lungs are compromised from smoking or asthma or pregnancy or working in a coal mine.

    Which is why it is irrelevant if you have or haven’t had the flu in twenty years. This virus hasn’t been around since before we were born.

    I’m not surprised anyone’s numbers are wrong on flu deaths, etc….in the House the other day the stupid Health Minister actually said 6000 people died every year from the “flu vaccine”, then realized her screw up and had Hansard corrected. When of course, NO ONE dies from the vaccine. Grrrr…Meanwhile, some of us heard it live…sigh.

    This is the website for Public health with all reported deaths due to flu, going back several years, and it has weekly reports and info on this years virus.


    Start comparing–for the entire year of 2007-08, only 2 deaths under 18 from flu. This year there are 37 deaths under 18, as of last week, and it’s just begun. Every ICU in the country is overwhelmed with children on ventilators. Not panicked overeager mommies crowding the ER with snotty nose kids, but really really sick kids admitted and dying.

    And the adults? Go for it, compare numbers.

    It’s not panic if actual people are dying in dramatically higher numbers than normal. The normal numbers are bad enough, and doctors DO freak and yell about it, but the press and the government don’t care. So no one gets a shot for a completely preventable disease, and they die.

    I panic. I care. I freak. Most political people roll their eyes about health bloggers or any mention of “soft” news, like health and education or social services. But it’s 80% of the prov. and federal budgets. So take that for what you will.

    Everyone in Canada is D deficient by the way. Me, my health nut friends, my smoking friends…the research really is overwhelming…..just thought I’d mention it. My husband’s neurologist says if we were all properly supplemented, he’d be out of business.

    Again, take care….

  25. Aurelia — I’m obviously not a “health nut” but I do try to eat a fairly balanced diet, work out in moderate ways, and get regular exercise (weather permitting). For the first time in a long while, this summer I even managed to get more than my fill of Vitamin D the old fashioned way… (back to taking supplements for the next six months).

    From a personal perspective, even though I’m a smoker and my lungs may be “compromised” as a result, I’m not too worried about this current strain of influenza. People my age aren’t especially prone to it — apparently, we have a residual kind of resistance to it from repeated exposure over the years to the more normal varieties.

    So, once the “high-priority” groups have worked through the system and gotten their shots, I might consider getting a jab, but until then I’m not going to be panicked or losing sleep over it.

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