Michael Moore on Afghanistan

Appearing on Larry King Live the other night, Moore said that it’s time for President Obama to wind down the war in Afghanistan. “It’s unwinnable. It’s immoral. It’s illegal. It’s wrong,” he said. “We need to leave.”

“There is no middle ground,” he stated. “You’re either going to go all out and fight a big war that can’t be won, or you’re going to bring the troops home and focus on the problems that we have right now…”

I couldn’t agree more. It’s nothing but a bloody and expensive fool’s errand.

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20 responses to “Michael Moore on Afghanistan

  1. counter-coulter

    Wow, Moore really does a good job on articulating why we should bug out of Afghanistan. I mean, he’s done some good jobs before, but there was always that propaganda-ish edge to it.

  2. Ti-Guy

    So, is this like 1969 in the Vietnam calendar? If so, we’ve got six more years of Iraqistan.

  3. So, is this like 1969 in the Vietnam calendar?

    It’s more like the spring of 1917 in the Pancho Villa Expedition calendar.

  4. austin

    My respect for Obama has just gone way up. He just proved what a little girl Bush is. Did Bush ever once have the balls to go and see the consequences of his decisions? Probably not since if the press is not there why would he go? Good for Obama to pay the respect to the soldiers that they deserve.

  5. philanthropist

    Afghanistan cannot be allowed to become a base for international terrorist operations again. It is that simple. Beyond the many fantasies that rely on the imagined ‘goodwill’ of people who would literally like to slit our throats, what practical alternative is there to the NATO mission?

    And if people like Moore et al. know how to implement this practical alternative, are they not bastards for not sharing it with the rest of the world?

    Obama the narcissist puts on another show for the media by attending a ramp ceremony – it’s all about Obama, all the time. Disgusting.

  6. sapphireandsteel

    philanthropist, 2003 called… it wants its fearmongering back.

  7. Obama the narcissist puts on another show for the media by attending a ramp ceremony – it’s all about Obama…

    Yeah, Obama’s media mugging is getting downright unseemly. Whatever happened to the discreet dignity of the good old days, when a president was perfectly satisfied with having himself flown into a modest photo-op cum Nuremberg rally on an aircraft-carrier to announce “Mission Accomplished” after initiating one of the decade’s worst man-made catastrophes? It used to be all about the class.

    But this Obama guy is just showing off. Well, you know how those people can get so uppity when you give them an inch…

  8. it is easier to put down someone who is trying hard to win than get involve and help the president is showing more guts and intelligence than anyone who is trying negatives result if the bloggers are so smart lets come up with Ideas that make sense,thank you.

  9. Omar

    “Well, you know how those people can get so uppity when you give them an inch…”

    Like Obama being hit with the now infamous “You lie!” by Congressman Joe Wilson back in September. I do not know if Wilson’s outburst was unprecedented in the history of U.S. presidents addressing Congress, but it certainly hasn’t happened in recent memory. Do I think that a ‘white’ President would have been embarrassed and insulted in that fashion while giving a speech to Congress? No, I do not.

  10. Ti-Guy

    What happened to Philanthropist? He usually doesn’t sound that nutty.

    I’m tired of these people. They’re increasingly causing me care less whether the Taliban slits their throats or not, given what they are asking from the rest of us (security state, expensive wars, violation of human rights and the rule of law, increased xenophobia and racism) to make sure *they* feel secure. Which I don’t believe anyway. I think they indulge in this fantasy of the terrorist menace because it’s the only thing that makes them feel alive. And to that, I have but one response: Enlist.

  11. Gayle

    I am less concerned about leaving the “Taliban behind to run the show” than I am about leaving innocent civilians who do not want to live under the oppression of the Taliban.

    I think we should get out, but we need to also offer shelter to people who want to leave the country.

  12. Ti-Guy

    I think we should get out, but we need to also offer shelter to people who want to leave the country.

    Uh…they can move the US. It’s not our responsibility to take in huge numbers of people traumatised by decades of imperialism, war, poverty, ignorance and tribal conflict. As well-intentioned as that is, I just don’t think we’d be able to cope.

    This is simply not our problem. Never was, except for the ridiculous NATO commitment that insists that an attack on one is an attack on all.

    9/11 was an attack on the US, for reasons that are very well-known and arguably, legitimate. Or in any case, in terms of blowback, it was something the US invited.

    Now, invading Saudi Arabia is a proposal I’m willing to entertain.

  13. …we need to also offer shelter to people who want to leave the country.

    That’s the real nightmare for WASP neocon goons, isn’t it? They could live with the idea of renewed Taliban oppression (just as they live with Wahhabi oppression in Saudi Arabia), but they cannot live with our moral responsibility to accept vast masses of Muslim refugees. I mean…my God…there goes the neighbourhood!

  14. …they can move the US.

    Heh. Would you want to move to the US?

    The idea is to run away from warrior-society barbarism, Ti, not to move to an attenuated incarnation of it.

  15. Ti-Guy

    but they cannot live with our moral responsibility to accept vast masses of Muslim refugees

    There was a point when I was completely confident that Canada could handle that. My family and relatives sponsored a Vietnamese family in the late 70’s and were fully prepared to deal with the fact that it wasn’t going to be a walk in the park. They hated the winter with a passion and the husband turned out to be a drinker and a wife-beater. The wife had to be supported during her long struggle to gain independence from him and leave him (something women in her culture didn’t do if they didn’t have parents to move back in with). But eventually, she did leave him, got a decent job as an interpretor to support the children and he eventually straightened himself out to the point where they reconciled. They live a perfectly normal middle class life now, but it took almost two decades.

    I can’t see that happening these, now that it’s become fashionable again to scream loudly about *those* people and their values that are not compatible with *our* culture (whatever the hell that means).

  16. Gayle

    I am encountering more and more child refugees from Afghanistan. So many of the families have been so traumatized that they have mental illness issues.

    Do we still have families sponsoring refugees? In my experience one of the biggest problems for refugees once they enter the country is that they are largely left to their own resources. With refugees from Afghanistan the problem is worse because what few community resources are available tend to shun them. I don’t know why but they do.

    Whether or not we should have gone into Afghanistan, the fact is we did. Now we owe it to the people there not to leave them in distress – especially if conditions might be even worse as a consequence of our intervention.

  17. philanthropist

    ‘Racism’ cries may provide a happy diversion to the liberal crowd, but that still doesn’t answer the question – how to stop Afghanistan from becoming a base for international terrorist operations again?

  18. Ti-Guy

    Now we owe it to the people there not to leave them in distress

    You know, our commitment in Afghanistan hasn’t been *that* substantial. There are over a 100,000 soldiers there, of which Canada is only contributing about 2,500.

    If the coalition forces pulled back from the military commitment and made a substantial commitment to real development, I’d reconsider what we owe in terms of refugee resettlement. But I’ve really lost confidence that the people in charge know what they’re even doing anymore.

    But, as I’ve said before, it really should be up to the regional power like China, India and Russia to sort this out.

  19. Ti-Guy

    how to stop Afghanistan from becoming a base for international terrorist operations again?

    And how did it become one in the first place, again?

    Besides, just how much state support does it require for 16 men to take a few flying lessons and to arm them with box cutters?

    In fact, I’m wondering if “base of international terrorist operations” isn’t itself just a grandiose myth. We all know American/British intelligence fabricated the sophisticated complexes built in the caves of Tora Bora.

  20. TofKW

    “Besides, just how much state support does it require for 16 men to take a few flying lessons…”

    Even easier, just pick up a copy of Microsoft Flight Simulator – X. If all you need to learn is basic navigation, it teaches this quite well apparently.

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