Michael Moore v. Sean Hannity

This is why you can never talk to some so-called “conservatives”…

Notice how throughout this “exclusive interview” (which is hardly anything of the kind given Moore has made the rounds of just about every talk-show on cable TV over the past several weeks promoting his new movie) Hannity deploys numerous logical fallacies, patent lies and shifty evasions to dodge every question that Moore fires back at him.

Especially funny is Hannity’s contention that the economic collapse was caused by poor people living beyond their means — despite FBI estimates that directly contradict this ridiculous notion promulgated by the right — and his inability to recall what the nature of the sermon was in the church he claimed to have attended on the weekend. What an amazing douchebag.

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55 responses to “Michael Moore v. Sean Hannity

  1. austin

    First off, I didn’t hear any lies by Hannity(please feel free to point them out). Secondly, Moore dodge his fair share of questions, like ‘should the borrowers not have any responsibilty?’ But Moore got him on the countinued deregulation during the Reagan/Bush years after Carter. If you ask me though they are both a couple of tools. Moore is to fanatic and Hannity is just a partisan nut job that would agree with absolutely anything the Republican party did.

  2. I’m a millionaire, I’m a multi-millionaire. I’m filthy rich. You know why I’m a multi-millionaire? ‘Cause multi-millions like what I do. That’s pretty good, isn’t it? There’s millions that believe in what I do. Pretty cool, huh?

    Anyone know who said that?

  3. Ti-Guy

    First off, I didn’t hear any lies by Hannity..

    Moore: “A lot of us sign contracts we don’t read.”
    Hannity: “I don’t.”
    Moore: “Did you read your health care contract with Fox
    Hannity: “I don’t care about that.”

    The rest of it is Hannity asserting things that are largely unverifiable. His understanding of how people get sub-prime mortgages is singularly bizarre.

    Anyway, Austin’s the type of moral imbecile we’ve managed to breed in this society, for reasons that still escape me, although I believe it’s largely a continuation of lying we all do in adolescence that is never corrected subsequently. In other words, lying only matters when you get caught.

    Anyway, thanks for having me sit through 20 minutes of Sean Hannity, Red. I’m now off to give myself little cuts on my forearms…

  4. Ti-Guy

    Anyone know who said that?

    Patrick Ross of Edmonton, Alberta. I’d bet the mortgage on that.

  5. Patrick — Not hard to guess. So what? FDR was a filthy rich multi-millionaire too (and was regarded as a “class traitor” by many people of wealth at the time). He’s featured in the film towards the end, btw, talking about his proposed “second Bill of Rights” which was a nice touch.

    This notion that you can’t bite the hand that feeds you is completely bogus.

    I believe Ralph Nader is a multi-millionaire as well.

    Is there some rule saying that you have to be dirt poor and unsuccessful in order to hold opinions challenging the system as it’s presently structured? Sheesh.

  6. Austin — First off, I didn’t hear any lies by Hannity…

    Aside from the ones kindly pointed out by TG, how about the egregious one that I alluded to regarding this being an “exclusive interview” (when clearly it’s not in any sense of the term). Now, to my mind, if you can actually say that with a straight face, then you can say anything…

  7. Sean Hannity is not a douchebag.

    He is a moron.

    Get it straight, will you?

  8. ATY — LOL My wife absolutely hates it when I use that word (she thinks it’s sexist and demeaning to women or something — we’ve disputed the etymology, etc.), but it just seems so perfectly appropriate when applied to people like Hannity.

    So allow me to suggest that he’s both a moron AND a douchebag.

    Hey, I’m all about compromise…

  9. Ti-Guy

    I agree with ATY. Hannity’s a moron. Tucker Carlson is a douche-bag.

    I do think Moore has to refine his arguments to challenge the attacks that accuse him of despising the economic order that has benefited him, but I don’t think he really cares. He probably finds it exceedingly amusing that hysterics like Hannity are comparing his accumulated wealth to a complex of greed, fraud and legalised graft that has resulted in trillions of dollars stolen from…well, the entire World at this point.

  10. His demeanor on this show compared to, say, The Colbert Report, is completely different. On The Colbert Report he was energetic and cracking jokes but still making arguments. On this show he is just depressed and in disbelief at the moron he is speaking to. The level of justified contempt in his voice is just off the charts.

  11. I think that within the limited confines of Hannity’s program he did a stellar job of standing his ground and hitting back at the cheap, sleazy arguments being foisted by the host that were designed to malign his character, impugn his integrity, etc.

  12. Sigh. I love it when Ti bends over backwards to make himself look stupid.

    I have to get my entertainment somehow.

    That being said, I doubt that FDR tried so damn hard to pretend that he isn’t a millionaire. Capitalism’s been pretty good to Michael Moore.

  13. Yeah, and I’m pretty sure he’s calling for Communism and/or Anarchy.

  14. TofKW

    You’ve got it wrong Eric, Hannity is the one usually calling for anarchy. That is what removing all financial regulations creates does it not?

  15. PR — You’re flogging a horse that doesn’t exist. Give it up.

    Moore doesn’t deny that he’s made money from the system — in fact, he’s quite delighted to admit that he has! But that’s beside the point.

    Your line of attack is no different from criticizing George Washington or Thomas Jefferson because they were plantation owners. It’s lame.

    My understanding of what Moore is saying is that the system is broken and rather than falling into the trap of hackneyed ideologies of Capitalism and Socialism from the 19th century, we need to craft something new that addresses the unrealized Bill of Rights envisioned by FDR.

  16. Ti-Guy

    Sigh. I love it when Ti bends over backwards to make himself look stupid.

    I’m sure you love it when I bend over backwards, you big homo. Take a good look.

    It’s a called an “inverted camel” by the way.

    But seriously, you’re just biggest liar in the history of online lying. And that’s quite the accomplishment, I have to say.

  17. You’re flogging a horse that doesn’t exist. Give it up.

    Jesus Christ. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Wasn’t his response to Hannity calling him a millionaire something like “oh, I have a house and an apartment?”

    Or is this going to be another one of those silly episodes where you expect someone to believe that employing clearly corrupt people doesn’t make ACORN a political liability for Barack Obama?

    Michael Moore is a millionaire who won’t admit to that on camera. He’ll also be much richer by the time Capitalism leaves theatres. I’ll bet he’ll try to pretend otherwise then, too.

    Sheesh. Wake up. The man is a hack, and more than a little bit of a hypocrite. The ironic thing about it is that his own personal wealth isn’t something he even needs to be hypocritical about.

    After all, it isn’t as if he can maintain his own personal wealth and still make valid arguments about flaws in the current economic system.

    Then again, on that note, his valid arguments tend to be fewer and further between than a lot of people would care to admit.

    Now that this has been said, back to the mockery of Ti-Guy!

    But seriously, you’re just biggest liar in the history of online lying. And that’s quite the accomplishment, I have to say.

    Considering that you’ve never managed to identify a single one — aside from truths you’re simply uncomfortable with — I’ll feel free to just snicker at you now.

  18. “For decades, the Vimy Ridge memorial has been more to Canadians than merely a pair of concrete spires built on French land…”

    “First off, a fetish is inherently sexual in nature. It doesn’t merely have to do with the “emotional experience” of sexuality, it has to do with sexual gratification. Period.

    Secondly, a fetish is with an inanimate object. A fetus — or unborn child, as I personally prefer — is not an inanimate object. It’s alive, regardless of whether or not you agree it is a human being.”

    Anyone know who said that?

    (hint: the author doesn’t have to bend over backwards to make himself look stupid)

  19. Hmmm. Interesting. Apparently knowing something about psychology is “stupid”.

    Looks like I managed to strike a nerve there.

  20. Beyond that, are you actually deleting comments here, Marty? Like the one that pointed out to you that Moore’s response to the millionaire question was “I have a house and an apartment”?

    Say it ain’t so.

  21. Ti-Guy

    Mulletofwisdom:

    I’ve gone on record elsewhere to state that the accusation of mulletry is a vicious defamation of Mr. Ross.

    Judging by the hundreds of thousands of photos of himself that he posts on the Net, I do believe that brutal insult arose solely from one particularly, horrifically, catastrophically bad hair day.

    …A re-occurrence of which he won’t have to dread for too much longer, if the receding hairline is any indication.

  22. austin

    Yeah Ti-Guy I’m the “moral imbecile” and you can not write a thought without an insult.

    Moore: “A lot of us sign contracts we don’t read.”
    Hannity: “I don’t.”
    Moore: “Did you read your health care contract with Fox”
    Hannity: “I don’t care about that.”

    You don’t sign health plans they just give you the details. Try again

  23. Ti-Guy

    You missed my larger point, l’il Austin.

    And how do you know Hannity didn’t have to sign anything in conjunction with his health benefits plan? In Canada, we don’t, because our primary health insurer is not the employer. It could be different in the States, what will all the pre-existing conditions requirements that cause those policies to be cancelled. I’m sure somewhere, you have to attest that you’ve provided a full and truthful medical history.

    Anyway, I’d like to be less insulting, but I’m surrounded by people who don’t let incomprehension deter them from saying stupid things.

  24. ROTFL

    Ti-Guy and his “larger points”.

  25. You really are just one of God’s simple creatures.

  26. Ti-Guy

    Jesus Christ, Twats. For someone who lives for flame wars, you sure don’t have any good come-backs.

  27. Ti-Guy

    Christ, Twats. For someone who lives for flame wars, you sure don’t have any good come-backs.

  28. Oh, you guys can be so tiresome at times…

    We need to set up a cage match where you can just thrash it out old-school.

    I’ll supply the beer and popcorn. 😉

  29. austin

    “And how do you know Hannity didn’t have to sign anything in conjunction with his health benefits plan?”

    I don’t, and obviously you do not either so how can you call Hannity a liar? The only lie so far that sticks is the ‘exclusive interview’ one but then again Larry King, Oprah and just about every other interviewer would also have to be liars.

  30. Ti-Guy

    Oh, you guys can be so tiresome at times…

    Twats has been behaving very badly lately.

  31. PR — Wasn’t his response to Hannity calling him a millionaire something like “oh, I have a house and an apartment?”

    Yes, that was his response. Or something to that effect (I don’t have time to transcribe the exact quote). And so? The implication Hannity was making was that Moore had made MILLIONS from his movies and that if he didn’t give it all or most of it away to charity he was a stinking hypocrite.

    Well, yawn me a river on that one. Sure, Michael Moore has done very well by his films and he’s become “filthy rich” (to use his expression), but as I said, it’s entirely beside the point.

    Look, I’m not trying to be an apologist for Moore here. He’s got his flaws (as do we all) but he made some very legitimate points in his film and this line of attack that one can’t profit from the current system while at the same time criticizing its absurd cruelty, is just utterly specious in my opinion.

    What you seem to be missing is that Hannity was just throwing that out as a distraction for the rubes that watch his show, not only to discredit Moore, but to derail any serious discussion of the points he was attempting to make in his film. So of course MM brushed those criticisms aside — because they were irrelevant!

    p.s. Sorry your comment got hung up in Spam Jail while I was out at the beach. Not my doing…

  32. austin

    Moore should have been a lot more forthcoming about the millions he has made and not trying to say it was his studio who made it but your right Moore making millions off the only system avalible to him does not make him a hypocrite for slaming it.

  33. Austin — I really can’t bear to watch the video again, but Hannity asserts that Michael Moore’s movies had “net sales” of $300 million (implying to his audience that this money went to MM personally) and then at other times fudges the figure indicating that he doesn’t seem to know the difference between gross and net or what the percentage a filmmaker derives from box office sales — but boy, oh boy, isn’t it fun to throw that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars figure out there so the remarkably stupid people that watch his show will soak that in and figure that Michael Moore is a hypocritical gazillionaire and therefore has no credible basis on which to attack the capitalist system.

    I could parse through the video and pick out other lies Hannity made in passing — whether deliberately or unintentionally — but life is short and I really couldn’t be bothered. If you think that douchebag is a truth-teller, well… good luck with that.

  34. Navvy

    Sweet jumpin’ jaysus!!! Moore has been talking about his millions in every bloody interview I’ve seen him do for the movie! What planet are you ass hats on!?

  35. Sorry your comment got hung up in Spam Jail while I was out at the beach. Not my doing…

    Oh! Bloody spam “jail”. I actually should have known. My apologies as well.

    (Sheesh, those things are actually becoming silly little controversies. You aren’t the only one having trouble with that.)

    I wouldn’t agree that Moore is being a hypocrite if he doesn’t give all of his money away. But making a movie slagging capitalism while he apparently pretends not to be a millionaire is hypocritical, in my view.

    I don’t exactly hold Sean Hannity in high regard. But I think the matter of Moore’s millions is a valid issue to address, but it’s really only worth a couple of minutes of dialogue. Something along the lines of “yes, I’ve made millions of dollars because a lot of people share my concerns” or something similar. Not “oh, I have a house and an apartment…”

  36. Oh, and look… here’s another thing. Who in their right mind reads through every contract they sign? Sorry, but common sense and experience is on Moore’s side here. Sure, Hannity may have read through some contracts he signed that he felt were important to him, but every one? No, that’s just ridiculous and patently false. Did you read through your cellphone agreement before you signed up to it? Or recruit a lawyer to peruse it with you? Or your mortgage agreement, or for that matter the license agreement to every piece of software you ever downloaded or may be using now.

    But apparently Sean Hannity has… Well, except for the ones he didn’t.

  37. Ti-Guy

    No, that’s just ridiculous and patently false.

    Oh, don’t say that. L’il Austin won’t like it.

    I really don’t know if these turds are just being annoying for the fun of it, or if they really are that daft and gullible.

    Hannity kept asserting that it was somehow the people’s own fault for getting mortgages they couldn’t keep up with.

    Hannity: Stupid, dishonest and frankly…evil.

  38. PR — I don’t really have trouble with it and am happy to trade off the inconvenience of a few messages getting stranded for a bit by Askimet (I think that’s the name of the embedded software WordPress uses) in exchange for preventing the thousands of actual spam crap going through). Not sure what its algorithm is that twigs it off… lots of links for sure, but otherwise it’s a bit of a mystery to me.

    Let’s be very clear here. Moore doesn’t slag “Capitalism” per se, but more the grotesquely perverse form it’s taken over the last 30 years or so and that’s a really important distinction. The notion of enriching the wealthiest 5% of the population at the expense of the remaining 95% (a simplistic formula) is inherently wrong and what his movie is suggesting is that there is something systemically dysfunctional in the “free market” arrangement of things as it’s sometimes laughably called today. If we could go back to the days of Mayberry, I think we’d all be down with that, but that’s not where we’re at now when cynical corporate grifters and speculators are screwing over average folks, milking the system and subverting what little “democracy” we have.

    You can get hung up on Moore’s response to Hannity’s question if you want, but you need to appreciate it in context and understand where that line of attack was coming from and the baggage attached to it. Yes, he could probably have deflected it better, but hey… it’s live TV. Whenever Michael Moore has a yacht and/or a gold-plated Hummer then I might consider that a valid point. Until such time… not a concern.

  39. There’s no context that excuses Michael Moore for being dishonest.

    He is a millionaire. Everyone knows that. He doesn’t just own a house and an apartment. He is a millionaire.

    He does himself a tremendous disservice by not being forthcoming about something that is public knowledge.

  40. austin

    “Hannity kept asserting that it was somehow the people’s own fault for getting mortgages they couldn’t keep up with.”

    And you and Moore want to keep suggesting that none of the blame should rest on the buyers. I understand that banks put on thier best sales pitch and used questionable tactics and that government policy pushed the banks but at the end of the day those people made a dumb choice, no one was forced.

  41. Ti-Guy

    I understand that banks put on thier best sales pitch and used questionable tactics and that government policy pushed the banks but at the end of the day those people made a dumb choice, no one was forced.

    You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  42. austin

    Are you telling me that a buyer should hold no responsibilty for purchasing something that they can not afford?

  43. PR — He is a millionaire. Everyone knows that. He doesn’t just own a house and an apartment. He is a millionaire.

    Um, you don’t really have a clue what an apartment in Manhattan costs, do you?

    And if “everyone knows that” then what’s the point of bringing it up?

    Anyway, I think we’re done with this line of argument. I know you’ll flay whatever point it is you’re attempting to make until it’s a rotting corpse in the ground, but I’ve got better things to do. If you want to get the last word in, be my guest.

  44. Ti-Guy

    Do you know how getting a mortgage works (in normal countries, that is)? If the bank doesn’t think you can afford the house you want, it doesn’t give the mortgage.

    Listen to two podcasts, Austin. “The Giant Pool of Money” and “Return to the Giant Pool of Money.” They give a pretty good synopsis of how a credit problem ballooned into this global financial nightmare. Believe you me, whatever bad decisions some of these credit risks made are trivial compared to the disastrous decisions, smarter, wealthier and more influential people made as the problem spiralled out of control.

  45. This (both the clip and some of the comments) I believe is what is called a “bulverism” whereby people attack the source of the assertion (Michael Moore’s personal wealth) instead of the merits of the assertion itself (whether there is evidence that modern capitalism is corrupt and immoral).

    It’s one of the more common ad hominem logical fallacies…

  46. Ian

    Hannity doesn’t lie as much as continually deceive. His total strawman argument here about it being the po folks who bought houses they couldn’t afford being the cause of the crash is so monumental in it’s guile that I can believe anyone would not call that lieing or something far worse.

    He also seemed to forget what he once thought about the 9/11 commission report in this segment. When the “Path to 9/11” movie came out he claimed on that it was an accurate picture of what really happened and the commission report was in error. Here is an exchange he had with the filmmaker at the time – but he now seems to think it was 100% hunky dorey:

    HANNITY: What’s so frustrating to me is we have a 9-11 Commission to investigate all of this. We have Sandy Berger stealing these archived documents. We still to this day don’t know the full extent of what he took out of here. We don’t know Bill Clinton’s — whether he encouraged that or not. They pressured Disney here. It seems like a cover-up of mass proportions about the worst attack in American history here.

    NOWRASTEH: Sean, I believe that the attack on The Path to 9/11 by the Clintons and Sandy Berger, they attacked it for the same reasons that Sandy Berger went and stole and destroyed documents at the National Archives. They wanted to suppress history, they want to rewrite history. I believe they are — you know, they have criminally distorted history because he destroyed original documents. And I don’t think Disney, ABC, or any other network or production company should stand by for that. The Path to 9/11 got it right.

    HANNITY: You know what, Cyrus? It did get it right. And I’d written about it in my first book, and I applaud you for the great work that you did here, and obviously it was rewarded with very high ratings. Cyrus, thanks for updating us on this, we’ll see you again soon. Thank you for being with us.

  47. austin

    Where do I find these podcasts?

  48. austin

    “If the bank doesn’t think you can afford the house you want, it doesn’t give the mortgage.”

    No thats not how it works. If the bank does not think it can get enough money out of you before it forecloses then it doesn’t give you the mortgage

  49. takedeadaim

    My two cents:

    There is a huge foggy cloud of reasons why financial markets clogged like a drain in Michael Moore’s house.

    I can’t understand half of them.

    But a huge collective of people buying homes they couldn’t afford is simply NOT the reason.

    Financial institutions convincing themselves that they had packaged asseted backed investment instruments cleverly enough to qualify as something more than junk on their balance sheets is the PRIMARY REASON.

    Allowing people to borrow more than they can afford didn’t cause the problem. Bankers, like me, INVESTING collections of those mortgage caused the problem.

    Michael more can’t avoid the hypocracy of his situation. But his criticism of unchecked capitalism is valid, and because the messenger is in an uncomfortable moral position, doesn’t blunt the message IMHO.

  50. Ti-Guy

    Where do I find these podcasts?

    Google is your friend.

  51. austin

    oh don’t even get me started on google.

  52. how ’bout we get you started on lithium?

    KEvron

  53. CK

    To Patrick & Austin & other nay sayers here:
    If you want to be petty to keep harping on the question why Moore didn’t really gush about his millions to that yellow journalist, Hannaty, well, ever hear of humility? Yes, another thing the teachings of Jesus encourage (at least, the Catholic Church teaches that much). He just doesn’t really want to brag about it.
    He gives a good chunk of the proceeds to his movie to charity, & this movie is no exception.
    But, if getting nit picky over minor details like Moore’s financial statement is still that important to you, means it’s time to get a life!

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