Shorter Ignatieff:

“How can you expect me to work with Stephen Harper? He’s a flaming asshole.”

Video highlights from today’s press conference in Montreal.

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Filed under 2009 Election, Michael Ignatieff, Stephen Harper

40 responses to “Shorter Ignatieff:

  1. Joseph

    These are absolutely the best remarks I have heard Ignatieff give. I know you don’t always like him, Red, but I really have to commend him on this response.

    I like your shorter message too – good summary ;). But thanks for posting his full statement . . . definitely worth a listen.

  2. Ti-Guy

    Best “shorter” in a long time.

  3. Big Winnie

    It pays to be succinct…Good job RT!!

  4. Iggy is perhaps too gentile to use the word asshole, but that’s spot on. I think this last summer did him a lot of good. I finally liked what I heard from him in Sudbury and again today, except he needs to learn to deflect better when the press corps tries to move him off-message (as in: theoretical coalition forming scenarios). Trimmed eyebrows aside, he still looks like he just rose from his coffin to say hi and can barely wait to get back.

  5. er… make that “genteel” (thinking in french too much lately)

  6. takedeadaim

    “I don’t think there’s been a socialist in the NDP in 30 years?”

    WTF?

    No one? For 30 years? Really?

    That aside, this has been better than Iggy has been to date, by a long shot.

    But again, “We need an election because Harper is a dick” isn’t going to be enough.

    Most voters have known Harper is a dick for a long time, they still haven’t been compelled to vote him out of office.

  7. Grammin

    His premise for an election is still thin, and most will agree that Harper is a dick, but Iggy really hasn’t proven he isn’t the smug douche we all believe him to be.

  8. Ti-Guy

    It’s only always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. And since we’re all feeling a little unfresh after four years of the turd, well…

  9. CWTF

    Good speech, Iggy-
    Too bad that Iggy had to add so many times that he was across the country so many times…. who gives a fuck…

  10. Joseph

    Well, apparently the national media couldn’t be bothered with reporting his whereabouts all summer, during the “hiding in plain sight” tour. So, yes, it is a shame he had to make that point.

    What is yours?

  11. CWTF

    Joseph, “hiding in plain sight”? Geeeshhhh Iggy could have commented on many Harper blunders this summer…. instead he said/did nothing.

    Did you actually see how many “supporters” actually showed up to these events? And you wanted the reporters to say what exactly? “While talking to a crowd of 12 or so, Iggy enjoyed Mrs. Smith fine baked chicken….”


    Mulcair was good also:

    NDP deputy leader Tom Mulcair said Mr. Harper’s comments were evidence of why he’s not been trusted with a majority: demonizing those who disagree with him, and attacking the credibility of Canada’s judges.

    In the speech, Mr. Harper invites listeners to envision the Liberals still in office. “Imagine how many left-wing ideologues they would be putting in the courts, federal institutions, agencies, the Senate. I should say how many more they would be putting in,” he said.

    Mr. Mulcair said: “He’s making it more difficult for judges to do their jobs, because Canadians coming before them now have no less a figure than their Prime Minister telling them, ‘they don’t deserve your respect.’ ”

  12. hitfan

    I’m glad that Harper is an asshole. Stockwell Day and Stephane Dion were nice guys, taking the high road and they looked like deers stuck in the headlights as their opponents made mincemeat out of them.

  13. Okhropir rumiani

    Harper could’ve read a grocery list at that meeting and some would be shocked!

    Are these views of his news to ANYONE?

  14. Drake

    We do have too many namby-pamby judges sitting on our benches the result of too many years of Liberal rule.

    If you do the crime, you do the time. None of this my mother didn’t love me b.s. Criminals freely choose to do their dirty deeds, and therefore they should be punished, with appropriate and fitting sentences that fit the crime.

    The people are with Harper on this one.

  15. Ti-Guy

    Shut yer hole, wingnut.

  16. Iciu

    The speech was decent, a pleasant surprise until he mentioned he was and is against a coalition because (he believes) it’s against national interest; does anyone here know if he ever substantiated this claim and if he did, on what grounds?
    I am having a hard time understanding how another Conservative run government (for 1,2,3 or four years) is more in national interest than a Coalition (yes, between Liberals, NDP and BQ)… anybody can explain the basics of such a view (I am not being sarcastic, honestly trying to see how such an argument is built logically)?

  17. Iciu

    Drake: some people (IMHO terribly confused and with poor understanding of reality) are indeed with Harper on this… not that many in Canada though, I trust it’s less than 40% of the population and if you spend some time thinking about the issue and also look empirical data available from countries that tried the tougher route (i.e. our neighbours) and from the ones that tried addressing the core problems that generate criminality (of all kinds), you may relax your stance a bit and… probably become a bit happier in the process (again, no trace of sarcasm intended).

  18. sapphireandsteel

    if Drake relaxed his stance that stick might finally fall out of his ass.

  19. Iciu

    Having a stick up your ass ceases to be a problem when you notice it: the next action to overcome the suffering generated becomes obvious. Maybe you pointing it out will act as a generous gesture. But then again, he may choose to take exception (focusing on the tone instead of the susbtance) and just push it deeper… time will tell 🙂

  20. Joseph

    Well, CWTF, how dare Ignatieff talk to actual Canadians around the country. The nerve.

    And how’s this? The media could have said he was enjoying chicken on someone’s farm instead of babbling ceaselessly about his absence as if he were on Neptune for the summer.

    But what the fuck would you know. Not much that’s for sure. The stench of your disdain stinks from here. I think we’re done now. Bye bye.

  21. Northern PoV

    Best performance by Iggy to date.
    They could easily repak this for TV ads.
    It is way better than that worldview tripe.

  22. takedeadaim

    Iciu,

    “…having a hard time understanding how another Conservative run government (for 1,2,3 or four years) is more in national interest than a Coalition (yes, between Liberals, NDP and BQ)..”

    Educated guesss. There is a significant proportion of current Liberal support (call it 5-7% out of 35%, maybe less) that thinks the government being run with the input of the NDP and a provincial regional party is worse than a country run by Harper.

    The Liberals are going to significant lengths to distance themselves from the idea of a coalition. Youtube videos are popping up talking about Harper playing footsie with the same parties pre-2006, Rae has flat out lied and said Iggy never signed nothin’ bout’ no coalition, Iggs headline in the Globe for most of yesterday was ‘i had a chance to be PM and turned it down’.

    The Harper conservatives are nothing if not effective campaigners. The ‘fear of a coalition’ plank seems to be emerging as one of their most prominent, similar to the Liberal ‘hidden agenda’ plank used by Jeany Chreets and Martin to a lessor extent. And the amount of early attention the Liberals are giving this tactic, when their universally agreed upon struggle is justifying this election every second of every day, tells me there’s alot of fear in that idea getting any traction with voters.

  23. I believe Harper will poison some motion before the Liberal no confidence motion, in the same way he poisoned the financial statement last fall. He’s going to ride the coalition fear as hard as he can. And if he’s defeated in the same way, many people will believe him. It worries me a bit. I just hope more people will see it was him who introduced the poison and made no attempt to deal with the Liberals, “the separatists” or “the socialists”. It could go either way. It’s a risk I believe he’ll take.

  24. Navvy

    I don’t want to watch the clip and ruin the shorter.

  25. Iciu

    takedeadaim: I understand the politics behind Iggy’s position (pretty lame but the way people think and behave does not necessarily have to be intelligent and for their own long term good), after you reply, I still fail to see how “a Coalition is against national interest”, I thought somebody has heard him say somehting rational on this matter… but then again, maybe not, the way he seems to be tired of the question makes me think he is not really comfortable with his choice… which is good, that basic decency present in everybody is trying to break through…

  26. Iciu

    Joseph: you seem to be pretty close to Iggy based on how much some of CWTF’s comments upset you (BTW, it was your choice to get all riled up, ultimately the responsibility lies completely inside our minds). Please explain logically how “another Conservative run government (for 1,2,3 or four years) is more in national interest than a Coalition (yes, between Liberals, NDP and BQ)”, I am certain there is at least a rationalization behind this view if not a sound reasoning anchored in some kind of view (more or less profound).

  27. psa

    I’ll admit, much as I think Ignatieff is a fraud, this latest version of himself is the closest he’s managed to looking like an actual leader. But the Liberals are still a party that is not that fundamentally different from the Cons in policy or attitude. And while Ignatieff reformats himself every week to try and wangle an extra poll point, I have come to believe that a coalition is the only sort of government that would be to the benefit of this country at this time.

    It really doesn’t matter if it is one led by the shitty Cons or the shitty Libs. Neither of these parties can be trusted with a majority, that much is clear. Harper has shown that a minority is only marginally less dangerous in the hands of his autocratic goons and imbeciles, resources in which the Libs do not lack. The built in brake of compromise within a coalition would be a positive change in this country at the moment. The NDP influence would check the swing that both Libs and Cons have taken to the right and the voice of Quebec deserves to be heard. That and Duceppe is easily the best leader and most capable politician in the current leadership pool.

    Someone fetch Joseph a pre-moistened towelette, I imagine he’s shat himself by now. As for Iggy, man of the people… hah! Nice try. Partisan fundraising barbecues are the new populist outreach? Only a blind partisan fool would even try to recast Iggy the patrician as a common sort. That’s just plain dishonest. He is what he is and that ain’t Joe Timbit, hockey dad. All of his uninspiring summer events = motions & going through them. Pretending otherwise is a good part of why so many still distrust the man, his party and his motives.

    Passable speech or not, I don’t have a party or a leader I can get behind. I don’t like or trust the Cons or the Libs. The NDP under Layton are no hopers and the Greens are a footnote waiting to happen. I’s be mightily pleased to see Mr Duceppe put the last vestiges of separatism to bed and run a national campaign for the Bloc Canada. All else is an argument over how the turd sandwich is garnished.

  28. “It’s only always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. And since we’re all feeling a little unfresh after four years of the turd, well…”

    Ti-Guy FTW

  29. Phillip Huggan

    I doubt Flaherty put his own planned federal job cuts (cutting MP salaries in 1/2 would save $20M/yr pre-tax, just sayin) into his economic recovery model. I’m still wondering how cutting corporate taxes to immobile capital intensive oil sands industry and cutting employment to labour intensive public sector jobs, will help alleviate unemployment or balance budget.

    Maybe there is some redeeming factor to always giving money to banks insurance and oil I’m not aware of. Not being a rich person, this makes me want to set up my own country devoted to quality-of-living, with my own security classifications to bequeath and such forth…
    How can mining be described as both capital intensive and labour intensive? Once we boot/plague the for-the-rich economists, maybe the establishment can look into whether this strategic sector should be aided in good times or bad.

  30. Phillip Huggan

    The above is important, without Chretein and Martin I assume we sell mines to USA in 1990s to maintain sovereignty. Once again, with Flaherty and Harper we will be forced to nationalize (maybe oil sands) and sell to China to maintain sovereignty. Whenever we have a government that slides us down UN quality-of-living rankings and builds up an evil prison lobby we should already have an accurate accounting of our assets.

    The lesson I’ve learned from this is unearned oil wealth turns you from a very progressive human being into someone as dumb as dog shit. I bet Osama Bin Laden would’ve been a poet or something without the free oil income. CPC have tricked their old constituents to fund oil execs over healthcare. The evangelical god must be a real jackass, I mean like, sent from Hell.

  31. Ti-Guy

    Passable speech or not, I don’t have a party or a leader I can get behind. I don’t like or trust the Cons or the Libs. The NDP under Layton are no hopers and the Greens are a footnote waiting to happen. I’s be mightily pleased to see Mr Duceppe put the last vestiges of separatism to bed and run a national campaign for the Bloc Canada. All else is an argument over how the turd sandwich is garnished.

    Yeah, you’ve been saying pretty much the same thing for years. Everywhere.

  32. Iciu

    psa: I agree with your analysis, my feelings exactly (maybe I am not that disapointed with Layton although I agree he could do much better considerign the NDPs’ platform is a very reasonable one that can be supported by a majority of the population). And yes, Duceppe is the brightest and most genuine of the whole bunch… we desperately need electoral reform at the federal level (would help at provincial level too) to avoid this kind of majority non-sense (in the Liberal and Conservative context anyway) continuing… not to mention that it’s defnitely not fair/truly representative…

    Ti-Guy: would help if you would actually attempt to refute what psa had to say instead of just noticing that he is consistent… that in itself becomes a problem if you are dead wrong and confused… does not look that way (to me anyway)…

  33. Phillip Huggan

    …So maybe mining is an automatic stabilizer to add employees in recession and machines in boom. Same for labour intensive small businesses, but need better tax accounting, if self report as income tax rather than corporate taxes you are trapping a bunch of non-business operators in your tax policy or missing a bunch of small business operators.
    Fixing this would require hiring a few more CRA federal workers. I don’t know why CPC doesn’t count federal workers (like themselves) as employees. Before you fire them all make sure there are other jobs available…

  34. psa

    “Yeah, you’ve been saying pretty much the same thing for years. Everywhere.”

    Yeah, I have. And short of suggesting a re-education camp, yet again, you haven’t much to offer beyond petty sniping. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. So what are we left with Ti, curse the devil Cons and hold your nose for the Libs? Well, there’s a fresh insight, breathtaking in its challenging examination of the status quo and responds with yet another iteration of… the status quo. Same thing you’ve been saying for years. Everywhere.

  35. Ti-Guy

    And short of suggesting a re-education camp, yet again, you haven’t much to offer beyond petty sniping.

    This is simply not true. I’ve highlighted literally hundreds of reasons why we’re in the situation are, have periodically linked to credible sources that examine why this is, and suggested, sparingly (or rather, perfunctorily, since I do believe it’s hopeless), alternatives.

    So what are we left with Ti, curse the devil Cons and hold your nose for the Libs?

    Do whatever the hell you want. Like the last time, when you voted for a candidate you knew nothing about, because you thought the unobjectionable Liberal candidate was safe. And then she lost to the Conservative by a few hundred votes.

    Please don’t take that as scolding, by the way. I think it’s hilarious.

  36. Joseph

    Iciu,

    Not even sure you’ll read this since I didn’t see your message until now.

    You mistake my language with CWTF to mean anger. Actually it was a bit of fun on my part.

    I figure anyone who post two lines of comment that ends with “who gives a fuck” doesn’t deserve a much more serious discussion. I mean, if they don’t give a fuck and don’t think anyone else should either, why would I bother giving much thought into how I response. So I said my piece and tossed a bit of “who gives a fuck” attitude back.

    Now if someone wants to have an actual intelligent discussion, I can work at that level as well.

    That’s just how I see it. It’s not exactly an issue I feel the need to spend a lot of energy on. I’m ok, you’re ok kinda thing 😉

    cheers.

  37. Joseph

    Oh, and to your answer your question. Like it or not, I think running as a coalition is pretty much handing Stephen Harper a majority.

    I might be mistaken, but it’s how I see it. So that’s all the rationale I need.

    I do not want to Stephen Harper handed a majority.

    I’m not even a brutal anti-conservative, but I feel Harper is a loose cannon who would utterly damage Canada if ever give a free reign, which he’d have with a majority.

    I think running on a coalition is the recipe for that. It’s as simple as that.

    I fully expect you and I may disagree on that conclusion, but I’m convinced.

  38. Joseph

    totally butchered a sentence on the comment a couple of minutes ago.

    “didn’t care much about my response” and “said my peace” ; )

    fumble fingers . . .

  39. Iciu

    Joseph: OK, I understand your concern (seems to be gut feel more than anything) but how do you arrive at this conclusion that running as a Coalition will give Harper a majority? Please explain the logic behind it and if you also have some kind of empirical data to supports some of your assumptions, that would be help too.

    Running the right candidate in each riding (and there will be only a few on which the three parties will have a more serious dicussion as to whom shoulod represent the Coalition) should overcome the ~ 30-35% of convinced Conservatives in most of them (even in some ridings in Alberta)… so do you honestly think that Harper will be able to spin cooperation so negatively that people will forgo voting their natural inclination and run towards somebody that made it pretty clear would be very dangerous if given a majority? Or is it something else that talks to how lame (and quite often regressive as far as what they supported in the past 2-3 years) the Liberal party has become and a concern that a successful Coalition may embolden the NDP and the BQ? In which case, it would be pretty darn selfish…

  40. Iciu

    … and I would defnitely invite the Greens to be a part of the Coalition too, they deserve at least a few seats in the Parliament and this could be a great start… May is a breath of fresh air in that company, she did seem one of the most sane ones in last year’s leaders’ debate…

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