“We Can Do Better!”

Is that going to be the Liberal catchphrase for what would now seem to be an inevitable fall election? Kind of setting the bar fairly low there, don’t you think? I mean, if the Harper government has been an abysmal “failure” on every score, then claiming to “do better” than that isn’t really saying much.


Alternative slogan: “We Couldn’t Be Much Worse!”

Update: The “Thunder-Stick” version of Ignatieff’s speech. (Man, I hate those things.) Odd perspective the party chose to film this: mostly from the left and rear… Just sayin’.

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81 responses to ““We Can Do Better!”

  1. Better is better than not better. What’s stuck up your behind?

  2. sassy

    Calm down Jason

  3. sapphireandsteel

    It could have been “Improving Mediocrity!”.

  4. Wally21

    His speech was terrible. Why is it this guy can shine when things don’t seem to matter much, be terrible when it matters the most, and stick his foot in his mouth when you least expect it?

  5. Ti-Guy

    Jason: Instead of patrolling Liberals for “incorrect opinion,” how about you take Susan Riley’s advice:

    One thing Michael Ignatieff needs, if he is ever to succeed, is a quick and savage response team – twitchy, obsessive partisans with no personal lives, no particular need for sleep and a pathological loathing of Conservatives. (Sort of like, well, you know …)

    Although, I’d go further in suggesting they need an attack team as well: Not hate-mongers, liars and cretins like the Conservatives have assembled, but people who can apply as little “principle of charity” as possible to what the Conservatives have done, are doing and will do.

  6. “Better is better than not better.”

    we have a new catchphrase!

    KEvron

  7. Ha. I like that one. It has a vaguely Orwellian character to it.

  8. sapphireandsteel

    it has shades of Chretien’s proof quote to it…

  9. Ti-Guy

    The real dilemma is that the Conservatives have hundreds of unresolved high crimes and misdemeanours that leave most Canadians in a state of numbed confusion, which is hardly a basis upon which to have an election. It’s the lack of closure on these issues that have permitted Conservatives to portray themselves any way they want. The constant bickering and the “he said/she said”-style of reporting in the news media have benefited them greatly, since their base will not vote anything else no matter what and a margin of the electorate would rather conclude “they’re all the same” and vote for the incumbents or not vote at all.

    On that basis alone (which is really the equivalent of treason), the Conservatives are not fit to govern this country, but without some kind of grand slam, I can’t see much changing. Hopefully, the Liberals have something planned and have planned, of course, for how the news media tends to play up trivial scandals and plays down significant ones.

  10. foottothefire

    Re Susan Riley’s suggestion;
    I volunteer. I’m a perfect fit, delighting as I do in feeding Harperites their own crap and contempt. (I’d love to do a face to face with Baird).
    As for ‘We can do better’, Mike’d do better selling that one to the taliban; liberals and our troops would both benefit.

  11. He did say “we deserve better” – on that I agree.

    I wonder if the issue of Canadians outside of Canada is resonating more that Harper knows. A neighbour said to my hubby that, although he feels Harper was right in bringing the refugee from South African, he couldn’t help but notice that Harper is willing to bring in a “white” “refugee” but not stand up for anyone of colour, specifically a middle Eastern name.

  12. UU4077

    Now he’s decided he can do better? Unfortunately, he’s been virtually AWOL all summer when, if he really wanted to set up an election, he could have been hammering away at the Cons on soooo many issues. Who are his advisors anyway?

  13. Ti-Guy

    Unfortunately, he’s been virtually AWOL all summer….

    Bullshit. He was around. Just not in a way that grabs our sensationalism-addicted media’s attention.

    He probably should have, at some point, come out and called Harper a fascist fuck pig (or the more civil, patrician variant thereof), but I doubt that would have made a difference to most Canadians, who don’t really pay attention to politics anyway.

    Frankly, your complaint is tedious and reminds me of all the people who don’t read newspapers or magazines, don’t watch decent news and current affairs programs either on the teevee, radio or by podcast, hang around people who don’t do these things either and who are nevertheless disappointed that the public figures are not communicating better. Apart from visiting your house and putting on a play, I don’t know what else they can do.

  14. Wally21

    Perception is reality in politics and the perception is that Ignatieff has been AWOL all summer. More importantly, there were several opportunities for Ignatieff to counter that perception and he took very, very few of them. So the ‘reality’ is that he appears after being AWOL all summer and says he wants an election. Terrible strategy, or at the very least terrible execution.

  15. Ti-Guy

    Perception is reality

    People who repeat this need to be disenfranchised. Just for a while, until they regain their bearings.

  16. Wally21

    And people who don’t believe it should not be giving political advice … not just for a little while but until they come to terms with the reality of politics.

  17. Wally21 – speaking for yourself of course.

  18. Ti-Guy

    And people who don’t believe it should not be giving political advice … not just for a little while but until they come to terms with the reality of politics.

    The “reality of politics.” How cute. Have you ever been in charge of anything, by the way?

    Perception, of course counts, but in an increasingly distracted and uninformed society, perception is dangerously divorced from reality and easily manipulated by ruling elites who don’t care what we really think or want. Under those conditions, something else to prevail.

  19. Wally21

    Bottom line is that Ignatieff’s PR strategy this summer was a disaster. And then he follows up that performance by coming out and saying he wants an election. Brilliant!

  20. sapphireandsteel

    Wally21 have you worked in PR and advertising? Just curious…

  21. Wally21

    Marketing.

  22. sapphireandsteel

    fair enough… his summer tour wasn’t exactly best practices in brand definition was it? It’s not the worst I’ve seen though. One of my old bosses here in Vancouver lost a half billion dollars in a year due to a lack of vision and a chronic condition known as committee based decision making.

    It’s always amazed me how committee based decision making can take a really good idea and make it utterly crap merely with a whiteboard and pretentious self importance.

  23. psa

    “Odd perspective the party chose to film this: mostly from the left and rear… Just sayin’.”

    um red, how else do you shoot an ass in a suit? just saying.

  24. UU4077

    Gee … thanks Ti. Nice to know I’m not paying attention to anything. However, Wally is right. Perception is everything.

    I would challenge you to ask people passing on the street what Michael has been doing this summer. It seems like he had almost disappeared. Now he is making comments on issues such as the inexcusable treatment of Suaad Hagi Mohamud but, where was he when it was actually happening?

    Timing is everything. And, he missed it!

  25. “Perception is everything”

    whose?

    KEvron

  26. sapphireandsteel

    lol there’s the rub. 🙂

  27. the irony in the lack of consensus re perception is palpable.

    KEvron

  28. A photo from the back – to show the crowd perhaps? Duh

  29. Yes, I can appreciate that, but the normal approach to be to show both the front and the crowd/reaction shot.

  30. UptownGrit

    What was Ignatieff thinking? If he was going to announce that he was going to try to bring down the government he should have had a PR strategy leading up to it. Perception IS reality in politics and the reality is that he was no where to be seen or heard on nearly every major issue over the summer. Then he comes from nowhere and says he wants an election?! Over and over Ignatieff shows his professor smarts and political stupidity.

  31. Ti-Guy

    his summer tour wasn’t exactly best practices in brand definition was it?

    ARRRGH!

    Death to marketing! It’s been degrading our civic life since the 80’s with this campaign to conflate choices we make as citizens with those we make as consumers. It’s so ingrained now that it’s to talk about public policy.

    Market is egregiously, criminally dishonest and propagandistic when it comes to informing us about toilet paper. How much better can it be when its applied to issues that are substantive and more complex?

    This is why we’re getting lousy governments.

  32. sapphireandsteel

    Marketing has always been around politics, even if it went by a different name.

  33. sapphireandsteel

    that being said, I agree with you about the lousy governments and reasons why…

  34. Ti-Guy

    Then he comes from nowhere and says he wants an election?! Over and over Ignatieff shows his professor smarts and political stupidity.

    I see this blog is going to another gathering place for Conservative trolls pretending to be “concerned and/or disgruntled Liberals.”

  35. UptownGrit

    And I love how us disgruntled Liberals get shoved to the side and labeled as really being Conservatives. Makes me feel so welcomed.

  36. Ti-Guy

    Marketing has always been around politics, even if it went by a different name.

    It used to be called “campaigning” and was limited to a campaign period.

    The application of “branding” (itself an intellectually bankrupt concept) is a very recent development.

  37. Ti-Guy

    And I love how us disgruntled Liberals get shoved to the side and labeled as really being Conservatives. Makes me feel so welcomed.

    Well, I’ve never seen you here before or at any other Liberal blog I’m familiar with. Do you have a posting record for me to review to assess your bona fides?

  38. Well, I guess we can expect it – the Tory trolls are advised to use PM talking points, call in to radio stations, make comments on articles, etc. – often, often and more often. Flood the media with PM talking points and nonsense.

    I watch Dale Goldhawk sometimes and he’s getting quite good at detecting them and cuts them off. Some actually “read” the talking point when they phone in.

    I think it’s going to get worse.

  39. UptownGrit

    Of course, Ignatieff’s absence from the national news media is just a Tory talking point, not reality. I can’t believe how some Liberals have their heads stuck in the sand. No problem, the Cons will win the next election and that’s when what I have been saying will be viewed in a different context. But then it will be too late but the ‘reality’ will remain the same: Ignatieff’s understanding of politics has been terrible and we are paying a price for it.

  40. Ti-Guy

    Uptown, where was Harper all summer?

  41. Navvy

    Another question would be, what the hell was Ignatieff SUPPOSED to be doing all summer?

    Amazing the horse shit that so often precedes “perception is everything”… as though that abdicates the speaker from the complete crap coming out of his mouth. Canadians are really hurt because Iggy ignored them while they were at their cottages and waiting for their flights did they? My, but we’re a needy bunch! Just imagine the “perception” that would be out there if Ignatieff had been on the news everyday… or if he had called an election in late spring… or if we go into an election now… or in the winter… horse shit, horse shit, horse shit.

  42. UptownGrit

    I take it all back. It’s great strategy to be AWOL from the media then appear from no where to demand an election. What collective wisdom we have here.

  43. Ti-Guy

    Amazing the horse shit that so often precedes “perception is everything”… as though that abdicates the speaker from the complete crap coming out of his mouth. Canadians are really hurt because Iggy ignored them while they were at their cottages and waiting for their flights did they? My, but we’re a needy bunch! Just imagine the “perception” that would be out there if Ignatieff had been on the news everyday… or if he had called an election in late spring… or if we go into an election now… or in the winter… horse shit, horse shit, horse shit.

    Hear, hear.

  44. Ti-Guy

    I take it all back. It’s great strategy to be AWOL from the media then appear from no where to demand an election. What collective wisdom we have here.

    What was Harper doing all summer, Uptown?

  45. this thread stinks of concern.

    btw, where was iggy all summer??1? now he wants an election??one? perception is something!!1!

    KEvron

  46. Ti-Guy

    This from the crowd who complained about Harper of Harper looking like a sacrilegious heretic for handling the Holy Host like it was a receipt from Tim Horton’s.

    Isn’t perception everything? I guess only when it’s a positive perception for your own side.

  47. UU4077

    If “perception” isn’t everything, then why are you assuming that some of the potentially liberal posters here are con trolls? That seems to be your perception which means, apparently, that some of us haven’t done a good enough job at changing that perception.

    Again, where was Iggy this summer while Harper was making an ass of himself?

  48. Ti-Guy

    If “perception” isn’t everything, then why are you assuming that some of the potentially liberal posters here are con trolls? That seems to be your perception which means, apparently, that some of us haven’t done a good enough job at changing that perception.

    Only Conservatives bother with this degree of sophistry.

    Outed!

  49. perception is everything, except when timing is everthing.

    KEvron

  50. UU4077

    Well, Ti-Guy, I am an infrequent poster on this and a few other blogs.

    Red may remember past postings. If you want to look them up, be my guest.

    And KEvron, sorry, I don’t turn a phrase as eloquently as you may. However, between perception AND timing Iggy has truly screwed-up. He had great chances and, I repeat, was for those opportunites AWOL.

    Because I am extremely disappointed in Iggy doesn’t mean I’m a con troll. There are many liberals and Liberals that are becoming more and more so.

    By the way, I am a Unitarian. If you know anything about Unitarians, we are anything but conservatives.

  51. i’m a concernitarian….

    KEvron

  52. UU4077

    So are Unitarians.

  53. UU4077

    And,so am I.

    Thanks, KEv

  54. so are concernitarians.

    KEvron

  55. Ti-Guy

    Well, Ti-Guy, I am an infrequent poster on this and a few other blogs.

    No, I recognise you. It was Uptowngrit I was questioning.

    I’m just joking about you being a Conservative. But the perception nonsense is just that. Nonsense. If it’s based on beliefs about the World that have no basis in reality, it is of little value to anyone but political parties. And that’s not something any democrat, no matter what party he or she supports, should take seriously.

    The problems with perception are the fault of the mass media, which the parties don’t oppose when it benefits them but who are powerless to do anything about it when it doesn’t (except to spend *our* donation money on media buys). So if we’re going to complain about perception, I’d rather the focus be on that. Everything flows from how the media informs us about the World around us.

  56. “Thanks, KEv”

    concernitarians appear to be passive aggressive types, too.

    KEvron

  57. UptownGrit

    You’re saying its the media’s fault and that *I’M* the one who sounds like a Conservative? The strategy behind this announcement, and the whole summer for that matter, was severely flawed.

  58. what was harper doing all summer, uptown?

    KEvron

  59. Ti-Guy

    You’re saying its the media’s fault and that *I’M* the one who sounds like a Conservative?

    Would it help you if I blamed the media for you sounding as stupid as this remark indicates? Because I do actually believe that, you know. The media is turning us all into idiots.

  60. UptownGrit

    I agree that the media is turning us into idiots. I also believe that the media can be tremendously unfair. However, that is the ‘reality’ that we must operate within. It may be totally unfair that Ignatieff was absent from the national media coverage. But it was not unexpected. It might even had been a good strategy; but I call that into question because of his announcement that he was to force the government into an election. AWOL from the national media shouldn’t be followed by something like that. Instead, you have a good PR campaign that builds up to something like that. There was none. Perhaps Ignatieff and his crew are geniuses and have a strategy that I just can’t comprehend. But so far it is working and this latest part of it just seems stupid to me.

  61. UptownGrit

    *…it isn’t working…*

  62. “so far”, eh?

    KEvron

  63. Ti-Guy

    Instead, you have a good PR campaign that builds up to something like that.

    The media finds that kind of thing too boring to report on.

  64. UptownGrit

    Hello, if the media isn’t reporting on it then by definition it isn’t a ‘good’ PR campaign. Come on folks, this isn’t rocket science. Ignatieff was AWOL then he suddenly wants an election. Very dumb.

  65. Ti-Guy

    Hello, if the media isn’t reporting on it then by definition it isn’t a ‘good’ PR campaign.

    Heh. Heh. Now that’s funny.

  66. L. Emersonia

    Um, where can I read Ignatieff saying he’s going to force an election? Got vid? Got tape?

  67. UptownGrit wrote:
    ” It’s great strategy to be AWOL from the media then appear from no where to demand an election.”

    The truth is the media was AWOL from Ignatieff. The national media didn’t cover any of his events this summer & AT THE SAME TIME were saying he was nowhere to be found. They were too damn lazy to get off their butts & cover the events. Easier to stay in their cottages & just send in an article. They are the ones who created the *Ignatieff is absent* meme. They created this *perception* & it’s a lie.

  68. CWTF

    The truth is the media was AWOL from Ignatieff.
    Because he had nothing to say.
    Do you seriously expect the media to fawn over Iggy when all he did was meet and greet with a few supporters?

    With all the Conservative flubs, you’d think he would have take advantage of it…. instead he said nothing…

  69. cwtf,
    Your hate-on for Ignatieff is now completely boring. You sound foolish, petulant.

  70. Navvy

    AWOL… you keep using that word, etc, etc.

  71. Tomm

    Why is he doing it this way?

    This could all end badly.

  72. Ti-Guy

    This could all end badly.

    Spare me.

  73. Tomm

    OK.

    This could all end well…

    but likely for somebody else.

  74. sapphireandsteel

    “but likely for somebody else.”

    Subjectively partisan till the bitter end eh?

  75. “AWOL… you keep using that word, etc, etc.”

    thank you. beyond being a malaprop, they keep using it. stinks of meme.

    KEvron

  76. Ti-Guy

    It’s a lot easier than saying something sensible, eh Tomm?

  77. sapphireandsteel

    Tomm doesn’t know sensible. His CPC overlords didnt include it in the memo.

  78. c’mon, tomm, say “awol” for us, you insincere fuckhead.

    KEvron

  79. sapphireandsteel

    Tomm’s run out his computer time at the group home.

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