On Hiatus (Again!)

As mentioned, because the place I’m currently living at in Vancouver is being leveled “gentrified” into a spanky new “heritage” townhouse development at the end of the month, I’m going to be moving back to Victoria next week, so posting will likely be pretty much non-existent for a little while except for occasional comments and mundane Tweets.

Feel free to use this as an entirely unconstrained “open thread” if you like, or just aimlessly goof off trying your hand at the HTF Milk Pong Game…

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  1. Gayle

    Sadly, that game feels familiar for some reason.

    Hope your move back to Victoria goes well. I am envious!

  2. Gayle — Should be fun. ;)

    I’ve got to go out to Port Moody this afternoon to reserve the truck. That’ll be several hours on the bus back and forth. Next week I get to drive the truck over to Victoria, then bring it back to Coquitlam and then get the 8 hr. bus-ferry-bus combo back to the Island. Thankfully, I’ve got a few good books to fill in the copious travel time…

  3. Gayle

    Too bad you can’t just drop the truck off in Victoria.

    I had to do something similar when I was on the Gulf Islands earlier this month because the ferry service between the islands really suck. Sometimes you have to go back to Victoria and then take another hour long ferry to the next island.

    Mind you, a ferry through the Gulf Islands is never a bad time.

  4. We could but it would cost an additional $200 or so. Given it’s the weekend and the relatively close proximity involved, it pays to drive it back and go through the hassle of returning it.

    And yeah, I quite enjoy the ferry ride. It’s the bus transit on either end that sucks donkeys.

  5. Drake

    Jim Travers writes in today’s Star that the Liberals blew their best chance by not forcing a summer election:

    “In hindsight, that Liberal moment came and went in late June. With key advisers urging their new main man to seize the twin advantages of rising popularity and a sagging economy, Michael Ignatieff looked in the mirror and blinked.”

    Hard to disagree with the economy apparently starting to turn around.

  6. sapphireandsteel

    Until there’s jobs bustin out all over and companies sprouting like leaves, I’ll wait to agree with Travers…Just because Mark Carney says the recession is over doesn’t mean that reality is going to change anytime soon.

  7. Drake — Nobody wants to poo-poo the possibility of a recovery or the notion that there are “green shoots” indicating that we may have turned the corner on this thing — certainly not just for the sake of some political advantage — but the fact of the matter is that no one can be entirely certain about how the economy is going to play out over the next couple of years.

    From the commercial and international trade information I look at each day, for every promising sign of recovery there are disturbing indications to the contrary and unsettling trends emerging, such that’s it’s entirely possible to create a plausible scenario one way or the other — pessimistic or optimistic, depending on your theoretical outlook.

    Personally, I’m inclined to think what we’re seeing at the moment is a “dead cat bounce” and would have to say that chances are quite probable that we’re going to be in the doldrums for some time yet; possibly even for several years, before any growth-based “normalcy” will return to the system. Even then, it’s doubtful the unemployment situation is going to improve appreciably over that timeframe, or that the jobs lost in recent years will be coming back any time soon. There is a significant restructuring of some kind taking place, but it’s difficult to fully grasp the exact nature of it at this point in time.

    As for the Liberals having missed their “window of opportunity” or whatever to regain power, that seems like a rather short-sighted and narrowly dense view of the situation

  8. Ti-Guy

    That’s just Jim Travers. He tends to be hysterical. He does it to get noticed.

  9. Gayle

    They are ALL trying to get noticed right now. That’s probably because most of us are not paying attention – it being summer holidays and all.

    That said, as convenient as Harper wearing the recession is for the LPC, I am not convinced the recession is the only reason why the LPC would be elected next time round.

    We have to remember how violently opposed the media were to a summer election. It may be bothersome to the rest of us, but they are the ones who would have to cancel summer plans in order to ride a bus with the various leaders. I am not sure they would not make the LPC pay for that.

  10. Drake

    Chretien, the last Liberal leader with real political talent was also advising Iggy to pull the plug in June, I think this waiting until conditions are near perfect is not politically astute, because conditions never are perfect. Heck the Liberals were up by a full five points in the polls in June what more did Iggy need.

    Harper was on the ropes last month, this week he celebrated his three and a half year anniversary as PM and it doesn’t look like he’ll be going anywhere anytime soon.

  11. Drake

    Jim Travers is also a big Rae backer since the Montreal convention. I’m still waiting for him to call the Ignatieff coronation the “coronation mistake” just like he called Dion’s election the “Montreal mistake”. I agree with Travers though that Rae was the best of the lot. The only one with real political smarts. That’s who I put my money on in the office pool – the one nobody one because nobody thought Dion had a snowball’s chance in hell in winning.

  12. moving day! always a good time….

    teh stupid will still be here when you get back, bub.

    KEvron

  13. Oh yeah, I have no doubt. ;)

    Moving day is actually next Thursday, but I’ve got lots of work to get completed before then.

  14. Ti-Guy

    We have to remember how violently opposed the media were to a summer election. It may be bothersome to the rest of us, but they are the ones who would have to cancel summer plans in order to ride a bus with the various leaders. I am not sure they would not make the LPC pay for that.

    I can’t remember that. Maybe a few pundits argued against a summer election, but you have to remember this…the media adore campaigns. It’s the easiest journalism on Earth. Don’t let them fool you with their complaints about campaign buses and bad food and boring, staged photo opportunities. That’s just the kind of complaining people do when they’re trying to imply they’re under duress and doing a *real important work*, when all they’re doing is basically paling around with their chums and passing along party propaganda to the rest of us.

    I remember the good times all the MacLean’s bloggers had last year, covering the debates. They were playing drinking games during them. It was a lot more fun for them than for the rest of us, that’s for sure.

    The reason we’re getting constant campaigning, 24/7, 365 days a years now is because the media loves it. And there’s a lot of money in it. Even bloggers now are getting in on the scam…er…act.

  15. Gayle

    I do not disagree with that TG, except that I think a lot of them were very unhappy with the idea they would have to cancel their vacation plans to go campaigning. They are more than willing to do that during the other 10 months of the year.

  16. Drake

    The other thing is that before the Liberals precipitate an election, they have to set out an alternative policy platform to compete against the Conservative agenda.

    Right now the Libs look like they’ve been co-opted by the Tories on crime control. They’ve grown silent on the environment agenda. They’re ad idem with the Cons on the economy. As for external affairs, Ignatieff probably actually outhawks the Cons.

  17. Ti-Guy

    they have to set out an alternative policy platform to compete against the Conservative agenda.

    Nope. Keep ‘em guessing. Don’t give ‘em anything to attack and lie and deceive Canadians about.

    But attack constantly. That’s what an opposition is supposed to do, anyway.

  18. Drake — I think their alternative policy platform is:

    “We’re not the Conservatives.”

    All considered, that’s good enough for me.

  19. Just for fun…

    Hey, it’s an open thread, remember. Anything goes.

  20. burpster

    Good luck with the move RT.

    In my brief time on this planet… it always seems that when a conservative is in power the country goes to shit. Why is that?

  21. Drake

    Ti-Guy and RT:

    In the 2000 election the Libs got 41%

    In 2004 they got 37% to the Cons 30%

    In 2006 they got 30% to the Cons 36%

    In 2008 they got 26% to the Cons 38%

    I don’t think you just wait and hope for the best with those trendlines. You guys are right in sync with Liberal Party Central, but I’m not sure Liberal Party Central is in sync with hard political reality.

    The Cons are consolidating their vote on the right. Meanwhile the combined NDP/Green vote on the left during that same period has gone up 10, 20, 21 and 25% in ’00, 04, 06 and 08 respectively.

    You can’t play it safe with that dynamic. You gotta be bold. And the Liberals have been pretty wimpy since Chretien’s departure: Martin, Dion and Ignatieff.

  22. sapphireandsteel

    Drake,

    The past does not necessarily predict the future.

  23. Ti-Guy

    You can’t play it safe with that dynamic. You gotta be bold.

    Try not to think rationally. That no longer works.

  24. sapphireandsteel

    Drake’s cut and pasting again. He’s posting this on a lot of blogs. Plus when did Jim Traver’s opinion carry beyond his opinion column? I don’t know anyone that says “If Travers doesn’t like him then I’m not voting!”

    So ludicrous

  25. Drake

    India has staked its ground on the global warming issue: it isn’t buying into the junk science. (Thursday’s Financial Times.)

    When are the Liberals going to follow suit or at least not lead with their chin on this dubious issue. When are the Liberals going to go back to the center of the political spectrum. Leave the global warming stuff to the Greens and, give Ignatieff credit, at least he appears to be shunning Elizabeth May instead of seeking photo ops with her, as Dion did.

  26. sapphireandsteel

    Drake’s cutting and pasting his latest Conbot email

  27. Hmmm. Well, I’m not quite sure what Drake’s point is (or Travers’ for that matter) even if one agrees with the notion that the Libs missed their best opportunity to take down Harper and the Cons by not triggering an election this summer.

    I suspect that Drake may be nothing more than a “concern troll”…

  28. sapphireandsteel

    Yeah, his junk science comment doesn’t really lean towards centrist tendencies. I suspect with enough prodding Drake might unspool like the other trolls of recent days.

  29. Drake

    ss – Canadians don’t like extremist policies, they tend to be in the mushy middle and the Liberals have to navigate back to the middle and forsake this leftist experiment of the last two years.

    RT – as for Travers’ view, he’s sympathetic to the Liberals and that’s his honest take. There are arguments to made that the fall is better for the Liberals. But the guys with the instincts thought the spring looked good.

    Ti-Guy – Canadians need to know that the Liberals are returning to centrist positions, waiting to unfurl policy in a campaign may be too late.

  30. Drake

    ss – one more thing, either AGW has been proven in which case it should be the number one issue and we should marshall all our resources, along with other nations to do something about it or the jury’s still out, in which case we should be mindful of it but not take extreme measures until it is shown to be a real genuine problem. You can’t be in the mushy middle on this, or agnostic on it. But given the unproven thesis, being skeptical makes sense to me.

    I’m not convinced, so that makes me right-wing? Give me a break.

  31. Drake

    Here’s Ian Plimer, an Australian, quoted in an interview in the UK spectator:

    “I’m a natural scientist. I’m out there every day, buried up to my neck in sh**, collecting raw data. And that’s why I’m so sceptical of these models, which have nothing to do with science or empiricism but are about torturing the data till it finally confesses. None of them predicted this current period we’re in of global cooling. There is no problem with global warming. It stopped in 1998. The last two years of global cooling have erased nearly 30 years of temperature increase.

    I think it’s around that time that those that were pushing the global warming thesis started adopting the more fuzzy “climate change” rhetoric instead of the “global warming” rhetoric. Geologists and others all are in agreement that the earth’s climate has indeed changed over the last hundred and indeed thousands of years.

  32. Drake

    Sorry, should be an end of quote after the paragraph ending with the word “increase”.

  33. Ti-Guy

    Answer these two questions, Drake:

    1. How did you come across this post?
    2. Do you comment anywhere else under a different pseudonym?

    I’m smelling concern troll here. The hysteria is a little too high.

  34. Actually, I think you’ve got that backwards. It was originally described as “climate change” (which is far more accurate in describing the phenomenon) but the expression “global warming” was recommended by right-wing spinners like Frank Luntz because it sounded much less threatening or benign (or even downright attractive if you happen to live in Minnesota or many other such places in North America).

  35. Drake

    Ti-Guy, we’ll let ss answer your questions about my cross-post, since it looks like it he’s done all the leg work. As to your other question, I surf on Liblogs from time to time.

    RT – I thought you were a skeptic, what’s convinced you that this hypothesis is now fact? Not the computer models I hope.

  36. Ti-Guy

    I think you’ve got that backwards.

    No, it’s the other way around. Luntz convinced the Bush Republicans to use “climate change” because “global warming” was too alarmist.

    It just goes to show that deep down, Luntz’s pre-occupation with perception is actually a war against reality. “Climate change” has turned out to be a better term than “Global warming” because its local manifestations in the weather don’t alway suggest warming.

  37. Ti-Guy

    I thought you were a skeptic, what’s convinced you that this hypothesis is now fact? Not the computer models I hope.

    What background do you have in environmental sciences that would lead me to believe you are a credible critic of the computer models?

    I believe most critics of the computer models are computer sciences engineers (or, most likely, IT technicians) and statisticians. They, of course, don’t have the last word.

  38. sapphireandsteel

    its not all that hard to notice mass cut and pasting. It’s been around since the old days when this stuff was confined to Usenet. Its just cracks me up when concern trolls think they are being profoundly clever by doing so.

    I didnt need to dig far. A whisk brush would have done.

    You’re hardly being skeptical Drake. You’ve clearly drawn your line in the sand with your argument.

    Ian Plimer? Why the hell does it matter that he’s Australian? Try to find someone not debunked by their own media.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25433059-5003900,00.html

  39. Drake

    ss – mass cutting and pasting? I was over at Steve V’s blog.

    Ti-Guy – he who asserts has the onus. I don’t beleive in ditching our carbon-based economy on the basis of an hypothesis. I don’t want such an expensive cure until I know if firstly, there is a disease, and secondly, if so, what’s causing it. So let’s keep a watch on this, by all means let’s put some money in research, but until we’re reasonably satisfied that the AGW is real, it’s premature to take radical steps. Nothing about this is inconsistent, of course, with finding alternatives to carbon-based energy, since we know our reserves are limited.

  40. Ti-Guy

    I don’t beleive in ditching our carbon-based economy on the basis of an hypothesis. I don’t want such an expensive cure until I know if firstly, there is a disease, and secondly, if so, what’s causing it.

    Yeah, well…It’s not all about you. Do you even have the necessary background to understanding the science of the “disease?” And if not, what steps are you taking to remedy the situation?

    Some of you “skeptics” are confusing genuine skepticism with contrariness, for reasons I don’t quite understand. Although my theory is that it’s so much easier to appear informed and knowledgeable by gain-saying everything than learning about and advancing alternative (and credible) explanations. As the old saying goes, “It takes a village to build a barn, but only one ass to kick it down.”

    This isn’t a science blog, by the way.

  41. Ti-Guy

    And this:

    Ti-Guy – he who asserts has the onus.

    What do you think all the environmental science research is about? You’re looking for proof positive, but science cannot do that. It can only falsify.

  42. sapphireandsteel

    I love how the concern troll directly references Ti Guy in his “Travers Knows All” post/cut’n’paste. Sounds like someone’s got a crush.

  43. Drake — I never said that I’m convinced that it’s a fact. The issue is thoroughly confusing to me. But then, unlike all of the Bloggin’ Tories, I’m not a qualified climatologist. ;)

  44. Ti-Guy

    But then, unlike all of the Bloggin’ Tories, I’m not a qualified climatologist.

    Are you a kerning historian?

    I still love that joke after so many years.

  45. Drake

    “I never said that I’m convinced that it’s a fact. The issue is thoroughly confusing to me.”

    Then you would agree that politically it makes sense not to lead with your chin on this, like Dion did.

    “But then, unlike all of the Bloggin’ Tories, I’m not a qualified climatologist.”

    AGW shouldn’t be a left/right issue Red. I forget who said this but it’s apposite here “when science looks like politics, that’s because it is.”

  46. Ti-Guy

    Then you would agree that politically it makes sense not to lead with your chin on this, like Dion did.

    I still think Dion was right. We’re all going to be paying higher taxes in a few years and we’ll be paying them for things that have no redeeming value.

  47. Drake — It probably shouldn’t be politicized, but anything to do with energy and the environment always seems to be. Quite intensely so in many cases.

    How the Liberals should play that card (or not), I really can’t say. Certainly, I thought the Green Shift® was a poorly thought out concept whose timing couldn’t possibly have been worse. The essential principle was entirely correct, but the means of achieving it was clumsy and too open to misinterpretation and/or exploitation.

    Personally, I’d rather see more emphasis on providing incentives for helping to advance technological innovation together with mandating increasingly demanding standards for energy efficiency rather than creating a Byzantine new tax regime of dubious merit.

  48. Tomm

    RT,

    You said:

    “Personally, I’d rather see more emphasis on providing incentives for helping to advance technological innovation together with mandating increasingly demanding standards for energy efficiency rather than creating a Byzantine new tax regime of dubious merit.”

    I totally agree. However, we do still have a little glitch. How do we “incent” something without subsidizing it? How do we “subsidize” something without a giant bureaucracy behind it, a million rules, or massive unfairness in its implementation?

    At what point does an incentive or a subsidy become a tax, or tax rebate?

    Does that mean we are bringing a whole family of tax rebates? To make a tax rebate effective, do we need to raise taxes (e.g. oil/gas royalties) to make an energy rebate an effective incentive?

    I think you are on the right track. The problem may be that the devil is in the detail.

    I like the idea of linking with our major trading partner and being in lock step with them. That kind of policy seems like a no lose idea.

  49. Ti-Guy

    I like the idea of linking with our major trading partner and being in lock step with them. That kind of policy seems like a no lose idea.

    You mean the deadbeat with the maxed out credit cards? Yeah, “no lose…”

    Whatever.

    Tomm, you’re going to have to start resigning yourself to the fact that your future is going to look a lot more authoritarian and hierarchical than you ever imagined.

  50. Tomm — The devil is always in the details, no matter what. It may well be regarded as a “subsidy” there would most likely be a tax rebate mechanism involved — much the same way there is for all kinds of research and development. And, quite frankly, if the government was helping to subsidize lignocellulosic ethanol production or fostering the commercialization of hydrokinetic turbines (for example), I’d have no problem with that at all.

  51. sapphireandsteel

    “your future is going to look a lot more authoritarian and hierarchical than you ever imagined.”

    lol like a giant Mao picture of Harper on every town corner in the wild rose country?

  52. Ti-Guy

    lol like a giant Mao picture of Harper on every town corner in the wild rose country.

    Y0u mean Albert…*cough* …wild rose country….doesn’t have that already?

  53. Ti-Guy

    By the way, how come Alberta co-opted wild roses? Northern Ontario, where I’m from, teems with wild roses. And tiger lilies, and lady slippers and daisies as big as yer head…

  54. Tomm

    Ti,

    “Tomm, you’re going to have to start resigning yourself to the fact that your future is going to look a lot more authoritarian and hierarchical than you ever imagined.”

    What was it Charlton Heston said in Bowling for Columbine…something about cold, dead fingers?

    Oh, well. I imagine you are right. That doesn’t stop me from wishing for a society with fewer constraints.

  55. Tomm

    S&S,

    You are a little confused.

    The giant pictures and the over-arching big brother isn’t coming at you from the CPC. Its coming at you from the CHRCs, and all the other politicially correct neo-fascists.

    There are a lot of people out there that want to jam their views right down every body elses throat. Almost all of them are voting for The Not Harper Parties of Canada (NoHPOC).

    Didn’t David Suzuki suggest jail time for those politician’s that disagreed with his views on implementation plans for greenhouse gas reductions? Not a CPC position.

  56. Ti-Guy

    What was it Charlton Heston said in Bowling for Columbine…something about cold, dead fingers?

    And he was wrong, wasn’t he? He was “Charlatan Heston” when he said that. He was a charlatan his entire life.

    Oh, well. I imagine you are right. That doesn’t stop me from wishing for a society with fewer constraints.

    The fact that you live in society with very few constraints indicates that you wouldn’t recognise a real constraint if it bit you in the ass.

  57. Tomm

    RT,

    The difficult part of incentive’s, is not picking favourites. The media will love to help the masses determine who gets a thumb “up” and who gets one pointed “down”.

    The Toronto Start this week had an article on the Suzuki Foundation and the Pembina Institute giving their ranking on “green” companies. They are of the opinion that a company named “zerofootprint” wasn’t very good, because they supported sequestering atmospheric carbon through planting at the same level as supporting windmills.

    Given the above, think of the media ratcheting up the pressure to pick Company A over Company B. Truth will be trampled in the stampede for air time.

  58. Tomm

    Ti,

    Like you, I have a short fuse, and a righteous sense of myself. Neither of us would do well in a society with fewer rights until we learned a little humility.

  59. sapphireandsteel

    Yeah right Tomm, I’d have to think Harper is a good PM and Ezra is just the coolest and dreamiest to buy into your ideology.

    Methinks you are the one confused. I know exactly where I stand.

  60. Tomm — The Dear Leader and your beloved band of “Conservative” nitwits are already picking favourites.

  61. Tomm

    S&S,

    Don’t bet your Alberta farm on that one.

    RT,

    They aren’t picking favorites, they are trying to un-ring the bell.

  62. Ti-Guy

    Like you, I have a short fuse, and a righteous sense of myself. Neither of us would do well in a society with fewer rights until we learned a little humility.

    I have no short fuse at all. In the real world, I’m calm, observant, deliberative and…uh…sanguine

    Don’t you ever accuse me of having a short fuse again, you mother-fucking, son-of-a-hoor.

  63. Un-ring the bell… WTF does that mean?

    Billions of dollars in corporate welfare, same as always — but under Harper it’s suddenly DIFFERENT! Ugh. Whatever.

    By the way Tomm, check this out. Heh. Those Swedes…

    Moving along… Just for fun:

  64. sapphireandsteel

    Tomm, I find the social conservatives far more threatening and dangerous than any politically correct type. Maybe its the degree of wingnuttery or maybe its the tendency of some social conservatives to support ultra fascist ideologies in the name of the family or to fight some fictional pedophile.

    Ive never been threatened by a politically correct person. I’ve been threatened by several socons.

    So that is why I don’t buy your tripe. You’re side is far more dangerous (and uneducated, stupid, lacking critical thinking…).

  65. sapphireandsteel

    I don’t think I’ve been able to scream “Get off my phone!” like that since puberty. :)

  66. sapphireandsteel

    Tomm, David Suzuki isn’t a Liberal, NDP or Green politician. He is entitled to his own view (and I don’t believe he was literal about it, but that’s my view) and since when did every opinion that countered the Conservative newspeak become an Opposition policy.

    It’s hot Tomm, don’t use the mayonnaise that’s been sitting in the sun. It’s giving you crazy ideas.

  67. Tomm

    un-ring the bell you little pinhead…
    un-ring the bell you little pinhead…

    I think that’s called mixing.

    Interesting news article about the Swedes, EU, and Copenhagen. Let’s see if they come with a block agenda.

    S&S,

    Sorry you feel threatened by SoCons. I don’t know what to say. Perhaps you should quit throwing rocks at the Alliance Church on Sunday morning.

    I find SoCons to be a little narrow on social issues. The Bible as the chief reference does get a little tiresome. But haven’t you noticed the similarities between the new green religion and the old Bible thumpers? One is waxing while the other is waning.

  68. sapphireandsteel

    “Sorry you feel threatened by SoCons. I don’t know what to say. Perhaps you should quit throwing rocks at the Alliance Church on Sunday morning.”

    I don’t tend to throw rocks at the Alliance Church. I’m afraid I might damage other businesses located in their strip mall.

    I don’t particularily see the whole green thing as religion. The cynic in me views it more as a marketing scheme which is probably more accurate. Personally, I don’t like either extreme.

    I find SoCons more similar to the PoliCor people. Both have these weird little rules about behaviour and language. Both have a very narrow view of what is tolerable (basically themselves) and they are both detrimental to those that are different than themselves.

    I guess Im becoming less concerned about the whole left/right thing and more worried about the types that want to ruin it for us all. I consider SoCons and PoliCors to be parts of the same animal in that matter.

  69. Ti-Guy

    I guess Im becoming less concerned about the whole left/right thing

    It’s been a meaningless distinction for a long time. I find authoritarian/libertarian on the scale of social orientation and free-market/socialism on the scale of economic orientation to be more descriptive.

    But even then, certain problems that arise during certain periods when specific conditions prevail may require that entirely novel policies be applied; policies that simplistic world views have trouble accommodating.

  70. sapphireandsteel

    Interesting point, I was moving more to a moderate/extremist argument simply because moderates of all stripes are more likely to talk and listen. Then again our government considers Avi Lewis to be an extreme radical; a statement that still brings laughter to me 3 years later. I guess extremist government in Canada merely means extremely stupid.

  71. sapphireandsteel

    The phrase unring the bell is an analogy used to suggest the difficulty of forgetting information once it is known.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unring_the_bell

    the other reference is for a Govt Mule song. Im not going to listen to a 20 min pointless guitar solo to find out what that song is about (besides noodling).

  72. S&S wrote:

    “I don’t tend to throw rocks at the Alliance Church. I’m afraid I might damage other businesses located in their strip mall.”

    Brilliant!

  73. Tomm — I understand the expression, but that doesn’t really make sense in the context of the Harper government “picking winners and losers” — hence my “WTF?” reaction… Unless you’re suggesting that Harper et. al. have no way of stemming the floodgates of corporate welfare. Which also translates into: It’s all the Liberals’ fault” or, ever-popular Yeah, but the Liberals did it first… and so on. Yawn.

    Yeah, interesting article on that Swedish initiative in light of what I was saying about pushing for energy efficiency standards as opposed to complicated tax schemes. I hadn’t read that before and just stumbled across it by accident in another context so it was rather serendipitous.

  74. Moebius

    The Cons are consolidating their vote on the right.

    Well, sure they were….up until the time they abandoned fiscal responsibility completely, to keep their government intact.

    Let’s see, how are they consolidating the social conservatives?

  75. sapphireandsteel

    “Let’s see, how are they consolidating the social conservatives?”

    aka How many bearded hillbillies can we fit in the back of this pickup?

  76. Tomm

    It sounds like the CPC has considered abandoning the melting pot to create an aboriginal caucus, a youth caucus, a women’s caucus, etc. I guess they may be deciding to appeal to tribal politics (in the broad sense) like the Liberal’s have been doing.

    I haven’t given it a lot of thought, but by not pandering to interest groups, it may be one of the things that keeps the CPC unified, it may break up their own internal coalition.

  77. Ti-Guy

    I haven’t given it a lot of thought, but by not pandering to interest groups,

    I don’t know where you get this stuff. Are you not aware of Patrick Muttart’s database in which the electorate was sliced-and-diced according to archetypes in order to pander to them with retail politics?

  78. Stop contradicting Tomm’s illusions with your pesky liberal “facts”!

    Sheesh… get with the program.

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