Where’s the Outrage?

You might think that, being as passionately concerned about accountability and transparency as they are (not to mention inherently suspicious of “big government” schemes), the Bloggin’ Tories would be somewhat perturbed regarding Stephen Harper’s amazing new $3 billion stimulus “slush fund” (or as I’m going to call it henceforth, the “mini-Stim”)…

After all, one can only imagine the shrill chorus of furious outrage that would be emanating from that same group of kooky misfits and unhinged wingnuts had it been proposed by a Liberal government. Doubtless, it would have been blasted for being “undemocratic” or some such thing; and of course, prone to the sort of corrupt cronyism and political patronage as was the case with the ill-fated Sponsorship Program. This would naturally have been followed by indignant charges of “arrogance,” dire talk of potential boondoggles, allegations that the money would simply be going to feather the nests of Liberal MPs or to curry favour with certain voting blocs, and so on.

Yes, to paraphrase a certain fictional character, you might very well think that; but unfortunately, they couldn’t possibly comment.

71 Replies to “Where’s the Outrage?”

  1. When I first heard of the mini-stim, my mind immediately thought: we’re going to be talking about the Stimulus Scandal in a few years time.

    Heh, as I was writing the previous sentence, this came to my mind; Who would be the Alphonso Gagliano of the Stimulus Scandal? With there being no shortage of dodgy and husky figures in the government right now they could even take turns.

  2. The old question “Where’s the beef?” probably isn’t one that should ever be used in the Conservative caucus room for fear that it would cause tremendous confusion.

  3. All the fine selections of meat in Ottawa today thanks to the Conservatives: beef in caucus, pork in senate.

  4. All the fine selections of meat in Ottawa today thanks to the Conservatives: beef in caucus, pork in senate.
    Let’s not forget all that fine meat products that are being recalled under the Conservative watch due, in large part, to their tinkering with rules and overview of accountability…. Go Maple Leaf (another fine Canadian symbol gone to hell)

  5. The BQ, Red?

    Not really. Maybe you should get rid of the farcical politicians and go back to the feudal system…

  6. RT,

    I beg to differ re: CPC~LPC.

    vive la difference!

    I have much greater trust in the CPC. (Watch me get proven wrong)

    But, Flaherty does look a little like a leprechaun sitting on a pot of gold. I’m glad Mad Max is out of cabinet.

  7. Flaherty does look a little like a leprechaun sitting on a pot of gold.

    Oh, he’s sitting on a pot alright; it’s porcelain, and it’s very much not designed to hold gold.

  8. Oh, he’s sitting on a pot alright; it’s porcelain, and it’s very much not designed to hold gold.

    Actually, he’s squatting over a glass coffee table and we’re lying underneath it.

    …ew! That’s even too vulgar for me.

  9. Actually, he’s squatting over a glass coffee table and we’re lying underneath it.

    Yes, but the glass-topped coffee table we’re lying under has no glass. That’s a crucial detail.

  10. That’s a crucial detail.

    I had thought of that, but then I went into a fugue state and couldn’t manage to type that.

  11. Red Canuck,

    If you have been watching over the last three years you will have noticed some interesting developments around fiscal responsibility. These have been all implemented by (not the LPC) the Conservative Party of Canada. How on earth do you equate the two parties? One was passing envelopes of public money around and the other was implementing the Accountability Act.

    The CPC is so fiscally accountable that they have even cut back on the requested budget of the Parliamentary Budget Officer. Now, THATS fiscal prudence!

  12. RT,

    I think you are “kind of” right. But I just don’t see the the Human Resource fiasco or the gun registry fiasco occurring due to Conservative policy implementations. And the ADSCAM was just a uniquely horrendous example of political arrogance.

    Philosophically, they just don’t want to be printing and spending hundreds of billions of dollars. I trust them more than anybody else to ease up on the gas pedal.

  13. Ti-Guy and Sir Francis,

    I’m guessing you guys both read “The Choir Boys” by Wambaugh.

    Please save us the visuals.

  14. I found this old video last night and it reminded me so much of the 3 years of Harper’s gov’t that I just had to share it:

  15. I’m guessing you guys both read “The Choir Boys” by Wambaugh.

    No. I think my parents had that book though.

  16. but tomm’s forte is empty rhetoric.

    They’re all like that. Sandy Crux’s “list of Harper accomplishments” is the ne plus ultra of Conservative critical analysis.

  17. Please save us the visuals.

    I’ll save you the visuals if you promise to write to Flaherty and beg him to save us the reality.

    As to the Accountability Act, your heroes wrote it but they have not implemented it. They’ve been freely violating it, in fact. Thus, the money spent on the formulation of that useless bill was, in itself, a huge waste of taxpayer funds–over and above whatever wastage the CPC is trying to hide by denying us access to important information.
    .

  18. Tomm

    If you have been watching over the last three years you will have noticed some interesting developments around fiscal responsibility.

    Yes. The Liberals balanced budgets and created surpluses. The CPC have spent like drunken sailors, and are now asking for 3 billion to spend as they see fit, without requisite oversight.

    One was passing envelopes of public money around and the other was implementing the Accountability Act.

    Bragging about accountability and actually being accountable are, in fact, two different things Tomm.

    Oh and speaking of cash stuffed envelopes…

  19. And if spending a few million for useless “national unity” initiatives was a Liberal scandal during Adscam, why isn’t wasting 12 to 18 billion on a failed mission in Afghanistan a CPC scandal?

    I think we need to start talking about “Afghanscam”

  20. Sir Francis,

    I see you have now decided to come out of the closet and hang the Afghanistan Mission on the CPC.

    It’s about time that “Dred Torys” stopped pretending that there was a Liberal PM involved. The Liberal’s were smart enough to make decisions quietly, through cabinet.

    Our CPC PM inherited this. He stands publicly and proudly with the troops, makes the decisions as a Minority government and runs it all with Parliamentary votes. Absolutely, you go ahead and hang Harper out to dry. It is CLEARLY his fault and his alone.

    Give your head a shake.

  21. Red Canuck,

    The LPC had balanced budgets ansd surpluses only because the Reform Party made them do it. They would have lost Ontario otherwise. So be careful who you brag to.

    In regards to linking Harper to Mulroney, go ahead. The problem is that these are not the same parties. You may recall that it was the Reform movement in the west that through disgust with Mulroney, created its own party.

  22. KEvron,

    Saving money is saving money. Whether it is the Minister showing personal restraint, or a Minister making the bureaocracy toe a financial line. Both are better than Dingwall, Guite, golf balls, and long gun registries.

  23. For an ignorant and dihonest demographic, Conservatives do seem to think of themselves rather highly.

    Insufferable. Intern them all.

  24. Ti-Guy,

    So this is your idea of social engineering?
    Providing 3 squares and bed for all conservative’s?

    Your Liberal breathern may prefer to chuck us into the streets to fend for ourselves as they are too busy propping up the welfare mothers, paying off for pay equity, providing for univeral big city daycare, and enabling drunks, drug addicts and street gangs.

    Us ugly conservative’s would be a little lower on the priority ladder.

    You better check with the central committee before making promises you can’t keep.

  25. psa,

    You are right. Bev Oda shouldn’t be driving in a limousine. She should name her dog Kyoto and take public transit.

    She isn’t your social teacher.

  26. Providing 3 squares and bed for all conservative’s (sic)?

    Who said anything about feeding them and giving them beds?

    as they are too busy propping up the welfare mothers, paying off for pay equity, providing for univeral (sic) big city daycare, and enabling drunks, drug addicts and street gangs.

    If Canada is such a hellish nightmare, why don’t you just emigrate already?

  27. We will definitely be talking about the next spending scandal in short order. This one will be sanctioned by both the CPC, and the Liberal opposition.

    If only the Libs (and not just their hangers-on) were suitably punished for the last one, perhaps history wouldn’t repeat itself.

  28. I have much greater trust in the CPC. (Watch me get proven wrong)

    You will be. Big money invites big corruption.

    You may not see money directly funnelled into the current government, like the last big scandal, but millions of dollars will disappear, never to be seen again.

  29. If only the Libs (and not just their hangers-on) were suitably punished for the last one, perhaps history wouldn’t repeat itself.

    Yeah, right.

  30. Tomm

    The LPC had balanced budgets ansd [sic] surpluses only because the Reform Party made them do it.

    Ah! Another hard fact from the Fantastical Magical Wonderland of Tomm, where opinions substitute for truths, and farts smell like roses.

    So be careful who you brag to.

    Is that a threat? If so, at least man up and do it like a real Conservative – by accusing me of being an unpatriotic, Taliban-loving moonbat leftard.

    In regards to linking Harper to Mulroney, go ahead.

    I’m not linking them. I’m merely pointing out that shadiness and douchebaggery are not beneath Conservatives, be it via cash transactions with German fraudsters or via bribing dying MPs for their vote (to pick two examples out of thin air).

    Perhaps when Deficit Jim’s 3 billion dollars vanishes, you will come to realize the myth of CPC fiscal “responsibility”.

  31. Tomm:

    Give my head a shake? LOL! Do you have any plans to crow-bar yours out of your ass?

    Firstly, Harper did not just “inherit” the Afghan mission; he cheer-led the fucking thing throughout his time in Opposition (as a second-best option to helping the Yanks invade Iraq).

    Do you really think, given the mission’s deep unpopularity in non-Albertan Canada, that Chrétien/Martin would have undertaken and sustained the mission had doing so not been necessary to appease a certain small, insane but electorally significant portion of the country and their well-funded, loud-mouthed commissars (e.g. the CPC, the Fraser and C.D. Howe Institutes, the Sun chain, the National Post, talk radio demagogues, the Alberta government, etc)?

    Philosophically, Harper and Co. co-authored this mess. Upon assuming government, they tried to make the mission’s time-frame unlimited and would have done so, if the Opposition (on behalf of the vast majority of this nation’s tax-payers) had not insisted on a fixed withdrawal date. The CPC has had exclusive ownership of the mission for two years, and the bulk of the expenditures and casualties have occurred during that time.

    So, yes, I’m comfortable making the CPC responsible for the debacle of Afghanscam (sorry Red; I prefer my own coining), and I would consider any disavowal of responsibility on the part of the party or of its acolytes to be typical moral cowardice.

    On the other hand, if things turn around in the next year and a half and produce real, substantive progress in the country thanks to our efforts, I shall expect you and the rest of the CPC’s sheep-like horde to thank the Liberals for it. I’ll be watching, rest assured.

  32. Did I miss something or was the sum total of “fiscal responsibility” on the part of the Conservatives according to Tomm, that they opted to go to Timmies for lunch on occasion?

    Wow. Impressive.

  33. KEvron,

    You guys are so touchy. It’s like I’m talking to 5 year olds.

    The example was a single one that was asked by RT. I chose it because it was the first reported change. The CPC cabinet ministers quit submitting outrageous receipts on the public purse for regular expensed meals and instead ate an average joe meal. I chose it because it was the first thing out of the block that actually happened.

    So instead of shooting at everything that moves, try using that part of your brain that fits things together.

  34. RT,

    Sarcasm on:

    The total sum of “fiscal responsibiity” by the Harper government has been to eat at Timmies.

    Sarcasm off.

    You asked for a single example. I picked the first one I recall occurring.

  35. Sir Francis,

    How do you live with yourself. When confronted with the truth you throw it back on the confronter. Are you ever wrong? Ever?

    But let’s confirm what you have said for posterity. The reason Chretien/Martin did what they did in Afghanistan is at the pressure of Alberta conservatives and their institutional buddies. So it’s not the Liberal’s fault that we are there.

    So if the thing craters, it is “Afghaniscam” and belongs solely to Stephen Harper. (Forget who started it and the two votes in Parliament).

    But if the whole thing comes out well and there are high fives all around it’s important that I acknowledge it was the Liberal’s that we must thank for the final result.

    Who’s head is up who’s butt?

  36. Ti-Guy,

    Canada is not a “hellish nightmare”, (except maybe for you) its a great country. It’s my country and I love it.

    But it can be improved. The direction that the LPC, BQ, NDP, and the Greens want to drag it doesn’t make it as good a country in the future as Harper’s leadership will.

    Are you active in your community? Volunteering for stuff? Being part of your local solution? That’s really what we need a lot more of.

  37. Red Canuck,

    Do I really need to go back and provide more examples of what I have already said? My comments are not some “fantastical magical wonderland of Tomm”.

    I’ll do one. But pay attention.

    The Alberta government under Klein cut all kinds of health and social services and began paying off accumulated debt (left by Getty). It was immensely unpopular by the media and vocal social groups but he did it anyway. The deficit went away and the debt began to get eaten up. The restructuring he forced on social services and health actually improved the efficiency and accountability of the provincial bureaucracies.

    Two years later the people lapped up the results like cream and Martin/Chretien was forced into bureaocracy cutting and debt management because of it. But they only got it half right and used most of the saved money to throw at provinces and get re-elected. The LPC could have cut 3x as much from the debt but didn’t because of their multi-billion dollar annual slush funds.

    In regards to Jim Flaherty being a bad Finance Minister …just keep drinking the kool-aid.

  38. KEvron,

    “snort”?

    What haened to the “the big tent”, the “open arms”?

    Am I beyond redemption? Do you too, see me in an internment camp?

  39. Ti-Guy,

    Just responding to the comments.

    RT,

    You obviously haven’t seen fiscal responsibility from the Harper government. I disagree. This is not a five minute argument.

  40. No, it’s not a five minute argument. Perhaps the issue will come up at some time in the future on a thread where the issue is something dealing with fiscal accountability, like say the disposition of a $3 billion mini-Stim “slush fund”… 😉

  41. Tomm

    just keep drinking the kool-aid.

    To borrow a line, watch for Tomm’s upcoming book “Cognitive Dissonance and Other Things I Don’t Experience”

  42. “psa,

    You are right. Bev Oda shouldn’t be driving in a limousine. She should name her dog Kyoto and take public transit.

    She isn’t your social teacher.”

    i’m sorry tomm, what is this flaccid rejoinder supposed to mean? the new vice president of the united states represented the people of his state by taking public transit. seems like a good enough thing for a petty twerp like oda, no? as for her pet’s, i don’t care what she calls them. evidence might support them all being named “driver” but whatever. as for the rest, what exactly is a social teacher and what is the reference supposed to impart?

    when it comes to fiscal responsibility, the munchkin of finance has presided over the disappearance of budget surplus, his party used massive pork spending to pay off ridings that voted their way and have continued to use our own money as a political weapon against us. that isn’t responsible, it isn’t an improvement over the other guys. it is just another pack of dirty pols with their hands in our pockets. same garbage, different bag.

  43. RC — LOL Perfect!

    And I’m so glad you used “cognitive dissonance” in its proper context. Lots of folks get that completely wrong.

  44. How do you live with yourself. [sic]

    Well, orthographically, I suspect. But you’ve posed a hypothetical that I find difficult to address, since, being in possession of an integrated psyche, I’ve never faced the need to live with myself. Doing so successfully is, I imagine, a complex and delicate affair, and you have my sympathies.

    I suppose you mean to tell me that, if Harper had lobbied for the Sponsorship program while in Opposition and had continued to fund it as Prime Minister, he would have been blameless for its disastrous failings–simply because the program hadn’t been his idea? Are you trying to insult my intelligence with that idiotic proposition or merely implicitly insulting your own?

    Learn something about “responsible government”, Tomm. The prime minister and his cabinet are responsible for everything that occurs under their watch. The Liberals were responsible for the Afghan mission from 2002-2005; the CPC has been responsible for it ever since. The wasted lives and expenditures of the last three years represent CPC waste: Harper wanted us in Afghanistan (and Iraq) while he was Opposition Leader; he kept us in Afghanistan when he became Prime Minister (with his lemmings cheering him on). The current mission is Harper’s baby, as much as Vietnam was Nixon’s baby after 1969, with both leaders presiding over intensifications of conflicts their electorates wanted them to conclude. What is it about this situation do you not understand?

    My position is consistent and based on observable facts: the Liberals initiated a reconstruction mission, and the CPC superintended over a combat mission (after loudly demanding one for years). Both missions were doomed to fail, but the second has been the costlier, in blood and treasure.

    I am happy to make the Liberals wear part of the failure, and you would need to let the Liberals wear part of the success (if a miracle happens). Instead, you consistently lambaste Liberals as appeasing, Taliban-hugging beatniks and applaud Harper for “standing shoulder to shoulder” with the Forces despite the obvious fact that the Afghan mission you fetishise as the search for the Holy Grail was a Liberal invention.

    You’re not necessarily a hypocrite, Tomm. You’re just deeply disoriented, as even a short sojourn outside your rectal canal would demonstrate.

  45. My position is consistent and based on observable facts…

    This is an alien concept to most so-called “conservatives” who seem to base everything on emotion, ideology and the whims of “magical thinking” that seems to inform their world view.

  46. So, I have a question – does anyone think that the stimulus package(s) are a way to appease the opposition, seeing as that was a key factor in forming the coalition last year? Perhaps there is no major ‘outrage’ because some people realize that Harper, being head of a minority govt, had to make some choices that he normally would not want to make in order to stave off another threatened non-confidence vote?

    Dion: “”Given the critical situation facing our fellow citizens and the refusal and inability of the Harper government to deal with this critical situation, the opposition parties have decided that it was now time to take action,””…

    Layton: Layton said the accord’s proposed multibillion-dollar stimulus package for the troubled economy, which includes support for the auto and forestry sectors, is “prompt, prudent, competent and, most important, effective….”This Parliament has failed to act, and it falls on us to act,””

    The Accord: An economic stimulus package will be the new government’s top priority…
    —————————–

  47. Short answer: Yes.

    The “stimulus” is all smoke and mirrors… I’ll expand on this at some later point in time when I’m not soused. 😉

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