Ad Nausea

I’m sure everyone not living under a rock has heard the NDP’s radio ads that were launched immediately after Ignatieff announced that he would be supporting the Conservative government’s deeply “flawed” budget without any significant amendments whatsoever.

Sadly for the NDP, almost nobody outside their traditional base of support will take these ads seriously. Aside from presumably attempting to define Ignatieff as a failure, what are they really saying? Jack Layton is “the only leader strong enough to stand up to Harper and get us through this economic crisis” the ad laughably claims. As if.

All Layton has done here is to demonstrate that, rather than putting average families first, as the ad implies, the NDP leader is far more interested in tooting his own horn and attacking his erstwhile coalition partner because his one chance to ever be in government has slipped away from him forever.

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73 responses to “Ad Nausea

  1. Iciu

    As you noted in other posts, we all suspect that Layton talked to Ignatieff in the last few weeks and it probably was pretty clear that the Liberals are not really interested in making the Coalition work (this much was apparent from almost day one after Ignatieff won the leadership race); in this context, I am not sure why we keep being outraged at how prompt the NDP was with these adds, it’s the same kind of outrage that the Cons exhibited about the Coalition being in the works before they even saw the “economic update” back in September; it’s not like the Cons behaviour came as a total surprise at that time either; care to elaborate on the purpose of this article?

    As to Layton being the only leader in the Parliament that is still willing to point to reality, yes, he is wrong, Duceppe is there too (I trust it is clear that Harper and Ignatieff do not have enough integrity to be taken seriously – this is based both on facts and rhetoric) .

    Other than coming across a bit shrill on occasion, can you actually point to some facts that would totally discredit Layton and Duceppe? This is what happens when the official discourse is so removed from reality, when common sense statements are being made, they just seem crazy… I know, you know that but I suspect in your attempt to show impartiality, you tend to go to the middle even if the middle is still firmly anchored in crazy land…

  2. sorry had a Layton moment

  3. Okay are they now the NDPO?

  4. jay

    Red,
    Come on, what did you think would happen. The Coalition was not a merger between LPC and NDP. Layton and the NDP agreed they would work with them and it was Iggy that decided to get in bed with Harper.

    I get that you don’t like Layton but really do you support the Harper budget? If not, you can ONLY blame Iggy and the Liberal MPs who allow it to pass.

    Not only will this budget to little if anything to mitigate the worsening economic realities, it will leave us with an incredible deficit to boot.

    I know that a deficit it necessary but I greatly resent the govt. accruing a deficit for tax cuts. As a person who lives in a city that won’t be able to afford to ‘match’ the proffered federal infrastructure funds I am pissed that once again the LPC is sacrificing what is best for Canadians in the face of political strategy.

    It didn’t work so well for the LPC in the last election it won’t in the next.

  5. Iciu

    jay: RT actually is pretty fond of Layton, it’s this positioning for the middle path that gets him in trouble on occasion (I agree with a middle path and way, it’s just that it needs to be based on reality and not by setting perceived extremes and then try to mathematically go in between) :)

    He is also (painfully?) aware of how fucked-up the Liberals decision is and probably on how fucked-up they will be in the next election… unfortunately we (as a whole) will be too…

  6. anna

    The thing that I don’t like about Layton (or more accurately, the NDP’s communications strategy), as a potential ndp supporter, is that the NDP attacks Harper using Harper’s methods on Harper’s terms. The federal NDP campaign followed the misleading “vote for the best leader” trail, perpetrating the myth that canadians vote for the leader, not the mp and looked to me to be all about Jack, not the party’s policies… To be completely honest, there seems to be a shortage of specific policy and a plethora of platitude from the NDP. That’s why the ndp currently has little credibility in my mind – even the Green party had a platform!

  7. I agree with Anna. I’ve voted NDP in the past but I just cannot bring myself to do it while Jack is at the helm. Ive found his campaign’s heavy on the optics and branding but lite on the policy. I’ve worked in media and advertising for nearly 20 years now and to be honest, the optics and flash just don’t do it for me.

    I guess I should go and get a buttload of articles to support my opinion right now.

  8. ICIU — I’m not in the least bit “outraged” by the promptness of the NDP’s ads, although I do find it kind of amusing that they were so obviously in the can beforehand. But that’s hardly surprising all considered.

    I’m also not attempting to “totally discredit” Jack… why would I bother? In truth, I find myself agreeing with him more often than not on a good many issues. But the facts are what they are in terms of how the NDP is generally perceived by the public. Look at the last election… The NDP ran what was generally regarded as their best campaign ever — well funded, good ads, solid messaging for the most part, no significant slip-ups, etc. And the result was nowhere near where they wanted to be. In fact, they were largely overlooked by the media.

  9. billg

    The issue is not Ignatief or Harper. The issue is, the NDP can do and say what they please with little to no consequences. How is a minority parliament to work if at the very first opportunity the government is voted down? Conservatives and Liberals make the major decisions in this country, voters want it that way. The NDP played a reckless game of chicken with a weak Liberal leader..and now its all coming back to bite them in the ass. Good! Jack Layton has destroyed 30 years of NDP good will in 2 months. I trust Michael Ignatief to make decisions that are best for Canada. I trust Stephen Harper to do the same. You can argue from either side, but, its my opinion. I, and many other Canadians cannot trust Jack Layton or the NDP to act in Canada’s best interests, which are, respect the outcome of elections regardless of how big or small the minority is. Iggy’s wins this one. Harper a distant second, but, Layton’s the biggest disappointment.

  10. “Sadly for the NDP, almost nobody outside their traditional base of support will take these ads seriously.”

    That is sad for the NDP. Many people have developed a strong dislike for Layton and this dislike is reflected upon the NDP. I’ll even grant this may not be fair, that if one ever met the man one might be swayed to reconsider this (for me) visceral negative reaction. But Layton’s utterances come across to me as insincere; they contain too much treacle and his demeanour is too cloyingly good (as in Gooder R Us).

  11. anna

    rt – “But the facts are what they are in terms of how the NDP is generally perceived by the public. Look at the last election… The NDP ran what was generally regarded as their best campaign ever — well funded, good ads, solid messaging for the most part”

    I agree with most of what you said EXCEPT the messaging – like I said before, the NDP relied too heavily on platitudes and had v. little in the way of policy suggestions.

    I think a lot of people would be more open to the ndp if they just knew what the hell they stood for. and saying “my name is jack layton and I care about you” just isn’t going to cut it.

  12. Gordon S

    “In fact, they were largely overlooked by the media.”

    Heh.

  13. like I said before, the NDP relied too heavily on platitudes and had v. little in the way of policy suggestions.

    You’re just looking for reasons to justify clinging to a Liberal Party that doesn’t represent your beliefs.

  14. jay

    As someone who has known (albeit not as a tight friend) Jack since he was a municipal politician, I can assure people that he is very sincere. Has he done things that I don’t agree with (mainly prior to being elected leader) yes but even Obama has had to play hardball politics when necessary.

    There is an interesting discussion between Silver and Brian Topp on the coalition – http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090129.WCoalitiondiscussion30/BNStory/politics.

  15. Jay — I get that you don’t like Layton but really do you support the Harper budget?

    As ICIU rightly pointed out, I don’t dislike Jack, although I do find his constant state of outrage kind of tiresome. He’s a bit of a drama queen, prone to be self-serving, never met a camera he didn’t like, etc., Oh, and his aping of Obama’s “kitchen table” rhetoric and style in the last election was pretty funny. But those are all relatively minor quibbles — he’s a retail politician, after all. Funnily enough, I find that Duceppe more often has better and actually more constructive ideas than does Jack.

    Do I support the Harper budget — most definitely not. I think I made that crystal clear in yesterday’s post. It’s feckless, imprudent and will have awful consequences down the line, I’m quite sure.

    If not, you can ONLY blame Iggy and the Liberal MPs who allow it to pass.

    Politically, I don’t think they had any choice, but they could certainly have made some serious amendments to it. On the other hand though there’s the argument made by Chantel Hébert last night on the National that once you start meddling with it and insinuating yourself into the process, then it becomes incredibly difficult to put distance from it down the line.

  16. anna

    Robert – for the record, have never voted liberal. Not a fan of sitting on the fence waiting for poll results, hurts the ass.

    Would likely be a fed. ndp supporter if I could just find something a little more specific than “kitchen table” and “help working families”.

  17. Anna — They do have more serious policies beyond that, but their rhetoric is getting a bit shaggy.

    One criticism that I do have when it comes to the NDP is that they’re not terribly realistic when it comes to economic matters. That’s not to say they’re necessarily wrong… just that they tend to put ideology ahead of practical reality. Which is fine if you never expect to be in a position of actually governing. Then you can have all the “principles” and high-minded ideas in the world, because it doesn’t make a whit’s worth of difference one way or the other.

  18. Layton should have thought twice before suggesting that is party is the only one that will stand up for average families, seeing as how most average families evidently don’t vote for them.

    The point being, of course, that most “average families” don’t seem to agree with him.

  19. anna

    I know, just being facetious to get my ‘frustrated voter’ point across. and I agree.

  20. well on a slightly related note I was amused by Harper’s accusation of Layton trying to be a pretend left wing idealogue. Almost like they’re positioning for a “No! You’re the socialist” argument.

  21. You’re just looking for reasons to justify clinging to a Liberal Party that doesn’t represent your beliefs.

    You’ll catch more flies with honey, Robert.

  22. than a self-righteous shotgun?

  23. I think there should be legislation to put an end to pre-writ ads. I’m sure there is support out there.

  24. Id support what Blues Clair is saying.

  25. Can’t go along with you guys on that one. As much as I hate pre-writ ads, parties should have the right to get their message out to the public any time they want to.

  26. Sorry Blues Clair and JS but the Charter allows for free speech and especially political speech and the Supreme Court rulings have clearly allowed this.

    Sucks, but you know, if they can ban this, maybe they could ban other kinds of political speech in between elections.

    Like any blogger who carries ads? Hmm?

    Anyway, I also have met Jack and his wife, as municipal and federal politicians. I can’t tell you how much I despise them. He’s sincere all right—sincerely so overtly ambitious he’ll do and say anything to get what he wants.

    As someone at City hall once said to me, “I pray everyday they get elected and we never have to see them again.”

    heh

  27. “Sorry Blues Clair and JS but the Charter allows for free speech and especially political speech and the Supreme Court rulings have clearly allowed this.”

    Well Duh! I said I’d support it. I didn’t say I believed it was law. I also support the legalization of marijuana but it doesn’t mean you’ll find me draped over the hood of a cop car with a bong in hand. I know the difference between having an opinion and beliefs and the reality of law. :)

    “Anyway, I also have met Jack and his wife, as municipal and federal politicians. I can’t tell you how much I despise them. He’s sincere all right—sincerely so overtly ambitious he’ll do and say anything to get what he wants.”

    That made me laugh so hard I think I peed a little.

  28. Point taken RT and Aurelia. I’m so quick to ban free speech, must be my leftist authoritarian impulses.

  29. You’ll catch more flies with honey, Robert.

    I’ll leave the fly catching up to you and the other party apparatchiks of all stripes in the blogosphere.

  30. I think there should be legislation to put an end to pre-writ ads. I’m sure there is support out there.

    I was drunk when I wrote that.

  31. “I was drunk when I wrote that.”

    That’s your defense? Oh man that’s weak

  32. Ti-Guy

    Can’t go along with you guys on that one. As much as I hate pre-writ ads, parties should have the right to get their message out to the public any time they want to.

    I don’t consider the freedom to advertise the same thing as freedom of expression nor do I believe a corporate body has the right to freedom of expression, which properly belongs to natural persons. We all know just how crucial good, accurate information is to both democracy and a market economy and I really do believe we are going to have to treat it a lot more seriously than we have.

    Disinformation and propaganda have no place in a liberal democracy. I think it’s perfectly analogous to pollution and I don’t have any problems with the idea of regulating it.

  33. That’s your defense? Oh man that’s weak

    Okay, the post, if you’ll note, was simply me advising the NDP to stick Harper before he stuck them; which they did by engineering the coalition agreement forcing Harper to hike up his skirt and run away from the last few principles he was clinging to. I wasn’t actually endorsing the banning of pre-writ advertising beyond its use as a sticking implement.

  34. This is an interesting argument. If political messaging is to be done outside of elections it should have the same standards applied to it that all advertising gets. Thus if the political party in question decides to do a bit of false advertising then they (or their agency) deals with the consequences.

    The problem with the current pre-writ ads is that most of them wouldnt make it past the whiteboard if they were done for a private client. The political ads of the last few years have been more fiction than fact, more brand than message and could use more regulation in order to reduce inaccuracies and outright lying (Stephen Harper would probably go mute as a result of this though).

    As for party ads done on the taxpayer money such as the creative mailing ads the cons love so much, those should be banned. Pay for your own message but dont make me pay for it.

    So yeah IMHO political ads should be regulated like all advertising and paid for by party members and party funds but not banned.

  35. Sure they should be allowed to get out pre-message ads……let them burn through their money – no problem.

    All the so-called average families I know don’t feel Layton is the only one that repesents the working people. The two couples I know that think he does are extreme unionists.

    You see, they think only union people are the average working people.

  36. jay

    Red – I will dig up some links and info that may change your mind on the economics argument.

    To those slagging Jack, like Iggy isn’t a pompous ass…please

    At least Jack has been working from the grassroots up on all sorts of issues (green, queer rights, women’s rights, workers rights) for the last 30 years. Iggy has been pontificating, preening, swanning (everywhere but in Canada no less) without any real nose to the grindstone work during that same time.

    So I know which guy I choose.

  37. I saw a film clip during the election. It was the “exact” words that Layton was using – corporate welfare stuff, etc. It was David Lewis (then leader of the NDP) in the 1970′s. The NDP have had the same garbage since at least then.

    Yup, Layton – he’s spent his whole life earning a living on the public purse.

  38. The Militant Liberal

    Jack is right, anyone who wants to stand in opposition to Harper must defect to the NDP. The LiberaCon coalition govt is firmly in control. The Liberal party has no left wing. The centre right, Bay St wing as completed the reverse coup. ( Dion and Chretian came so close.) . All were gonna see from this group is more capitulation disquised as “pragmatism”. Anyone who considers themselves a progressive has really no other choice but to vote NDP. Even the centre left has no voice in the Liberal party. Who knows, maybe the water is warm in the old NDP pool? All I see on Liblogs is Swarmy right wing assholes who think they are moderate, centrist “pragmatists” because they believe in gay marriage gloating about how the coaltion was stopped. They can barely contain their glee or in the case of the NDP, their contempt. Red, you of course are the exception. My defection has only been delayed by my own procrastination. I encourage anyone who wants to stand up to Iggy and Harpo to come with me. How about it Red? you could be the “BlueDipper”

    Ps to the righties let me say it for you. I won’t let the door hit me on the ass on the way out.

  39. ML — All I see on Liblogs is Swarmy right wing assholes who think they are moderate…

    Come on, name and shame…

  40. The Militant Liberal

    There are 3 or 4 that I have in mind so I guess I shouldn’t smear the whole bunch. I loathe getting personal and burning all my bridges at once so I’m not gonna name names. They would certainly disagree, considering themselves as centrist and all and that’s fine.

  41. ML — The Libs just make me shake my head in frustration sometimes, that is when I’m not just utterly disappointed by their antics. Unfortunately, I’m not exactly turned on by any of the alternatives at present. I’d think seriously about the NDP if/when Mulcair takes over.

  42. Jay,

    Iggy is a pompous ass. So much so its impossible to hide it. That doesnt make Jack come across as one bit less insincere than he does.

    I also have to take offense at the whole tired “outside of Canada” argument. When I couldnt find work in my field after school I went to the UK where I did and was actually very successful. Now under your logic all my accomplishments and work experience dont merely count but they are a detriment for me because I didnt do them in Canada. How pathetic of an argument. It doesnt look good on the Cons that use it and it doesnt look good on you.

    I grant you that Layton has spent the past 30 years doing such things but to put him on the white horse like you have is unrealistic and frankly a poor representation of the man. It is equally as unrealistic to portray Ignatieff as some martini scene intellectual who spends his time whittling thoughts on Antigone and Creon. Taking a look at Mr Ignatieff’s career I’d say he’s seen a grindstone or two in his past. Like getting a PHD is easy.

    So why do you resort to the book learners bad/expatriate Canadians are heretics argument that the conbots use then?

  43. I agree with you R/T. Frustrated yeah, but the only the Bloc suggested an amendment other than the Libs. No need to throw out the baby with the bathwater in this situation.

    Same with the NDP, if Mulcair takes over then it becomes a serious alternative.

    ML – Name some names please… I want to see what you deem as right wing

  44. The Militant Liberal

    ” I’d think seriously about the NDP if/when Mulcair takes over. ”

    Fuck Mulcair, I’m gonna be the next NDP Leader and when I am, I’m gonna go to Ottawa and kick some right-wing ass…… I guess before I annoint myself leader I should see if The Blogging Dippers even want me.

  45. Manchild

    Liberals are gutless and cowardly. This is not surprising – it’s in the Liberal DNA to lean to the right.

    After being pummeled nearly to death by the school yard bully, Liberals readily looked for some allies to stand up to the bully with them. Then once their bruises healed they snuggled up with the bully in hopes he wouldn’t punch them out again.

    Bring back Dion. Get some guts.

  46. “Fuck Mulcair, I’m gonna be the next NDP Leader and when I am, I’m gonna go to Ottawa and kick some right-wing ass……”

    do you really want to become a part of a group where the winner is known as “the least of all evils?”

  47. Bring back Dion. Get some guts.

    Cause that’s what Dion was known for right? Guts

    Not his amazing way of conveying a message to the public

  48. The Militant Liberal

    ” ML – Name some names please… I want to see what you deem as right wing”

    Kinsella alone should be enough to drive anyone with a soul away from the Liberal party.

  49. Manchild

    I was not a huge fan of Dion either but he at least had the guts to finally stand up to Harper by joining the coalition. Iggy can’t stand the idea of leaning to the left so he put Harper back in the drivers seat to the detriment of us all.

    Iggy – grow a pair.

  50. I’m not sure if Kinsella is “right-wing” per se, or indeed if he has any particular ideology at all. He’s just a mercenary, isn’t he?

    Full disclosure: I really don’t read him very often, so I’m not that familiar with his opinions or philosophy. I will say however, that the few pieces I’ve viewed since he decided to get on board the Iggy train have been embarrassingly sycophantic.

  51. CWTF

    Fuck Mulcair, I’m gonna be the next NDP Leader and when I am, I’m gonna go to Ottawa and kick some right-wing ass…
    You do realize that he was a Liberal in Quebec and quite effective, right?

    He has to learn to temper his temper at times but overall he has the right ideas…

    RS: Yup, Layton – he’s spent his whole life earning a living on the public purse.
    And what about Harper? Dion? And many others….

  52. The Militant Liberal

    There is a simple way to tell a right-wing liberal, really simple now that they are almost the only ones left. You ask them if they would rather see Harper or Layton be PM. Now I understand that many Liberals would not like either choice and that is fair, that’s why they are Liberals. But if you had to make that choice who would you choose?
    Those who would choose Harper now run the party and probably always have. Yes Harper and Layton are both Idealogues and you moderate centrist types reject all extremism I get that, but given the choice between the two extremes they always seem to choose Harper. Just admit your centre-right, there are plenty of votes there. And don’t you “pragmatists” always follow the votes?

  53. The Militant Liberal

    CWTF

    I don’t have a problem with Mulcair, I was just commenting on his leadership versus mine. I can’t let him stand in my way to the PMO…… Oh yeah, maybe I should join the party and change my name from “The militant Liberal” before I lead the NDP.

  54. CWTF

    Why? The NDP needs and would do better with a few militant liberals….

  55. The Militant Liberal

    Right on, I’m down then. The Militant liberal Dipper lives. Or maybe I should be IggyWTF!

  56. Cherniak_WTF

    Hey, I resemble that!

  57. The Militant Dipper

    I did it. I changed my name and I applied to the new democrats online. I feel better all ready. No longer do I have to wear the nightmare in Gaza or the debacle in Afghanistan. Maybe this blood will wash off my hands now. woo-hoo I’m gonna go get drunk.

  58. Good for you!

    Have a brew for me. Another dry weekend here, I’m afraid. *sigh*

  59. The Militant Dipper

    I promise to be even less moderate than before and I promise to take absolutely no bullshit from right-wing Liberals and I promise to keep on swearing up a storm. As long as you keep accepting my comments I plan to do the same on your blog. How come it is a dry weekend? Is it a health issue? Is it self imposed denial? Do you prefer a big joint? was up?

  60. No money at the moment — it’s as simple as that. Can’t spend what you don’t have (and I don’t use credit).

    Oh well. There’s always next week…

  61. The Militant Dipper

    Living without credit is the only way to live. Unfortunately I’m not off the sour milked tit of the Visa beast yet but I plan to be. The cost of sin is also to much in this country. Especially out your way. What’s a case of beer in Victoria? 3, 4 hundred dollars? Did you see Letterman tonight? The Late great comedian Bill Hicks was honoured and Dave finally played the tape from 1993 that he refused to air of Hicks. He even apologizes to Hicks mother.

  62. Heh. Yeah, the cost of living is pretty ridiculous out this way. Rent is absurd, but that’s what happens when the vacancy rate is 0.1% and the “average” house price is $650,000.

    I’m not sure what a case of beer goes for these days… I usually just buy one or two cans at a time every now and again ($3/ea. for Faxe Strong — excellent stuff, I highly recommend it). Unfortunately, there’s not a lot for luxuries like that after all the bills are paid (barely).

    Didn’t watch Dave last night. Sucks not having a remote. You tend to just leave it on one channel for long periods of time… I’ll have to check online and see if it’s posted anywhere. I’d like to see that.

  63. Gayle

    “I am pissed that once again the LPC is sacrificing what is best for Canadians in the face of political strategy.”

    Well, it seems to me Layton spent a long time working with Harper to campaign against the LPC, which had the effect of increasing his vote totals, though barely increasing his seat totals, and ensuring that Harper became PM – twice. So I am not really sure the LPC are the only party sacrificing what is best for Canada in the face of political strategy…

  64. Gayle — I didn’t want to bring that up, lest the whole thread devolve into a pointless argument about whether the NDP or Liberals have sold out more by supporting Harper on various phony “confidence” votes in the past… which would quickly devolve into an angry shouting match over the contention that Layton had effectively tanked the Paul Martin government, etc. in a bid to aggrandize his own power, presumably with the wishful intent of replacing the Libs as official Opposition, etc.

  65. Actually, I think the Bloc has supported the CPC on more confidence motions than others. (16? right?) Frankly, the NDP wouldn’t help much in the Commons.

    On the campaign trail it’s a different story of course. I’m just looking forward to the next campaign in Quebec. Harper’s numbers are the worst things I’ve ever seen. He won’t win one seat.

    And without Quebec, he can’t win a majority. So he’s cooked.

  66. And just to keep it on the same thread RT, if you need some donations again, say so. I’d certainly give you money before I’d give to some other political bloggers I can think of!

    And think about ads….can’t hurt, and you certainly have the traffic.

  67. CWTF

    And without Quebec, he can’t win a majority. So he’s cooked.
    Harper generated alot of bad will in Quebec when he attacked the BQ so vacuously during the coalition scare.
    Now that Iggy has walked away from the popular idea of a coalition in Quebec, I’m certain that the Liberal numbers will wane in la Belle Province.

  68. Aurelia — Thanks. Next month is going to be better… it’s just been really tight over the last little while for obvious reasons, but things are gradually getting back on track. I actually have tons of work booked at the moment — my problem right now is getting it all completed in a timely fashion. Less blogging would probably help in that regard. ;)

  69. Gayle

    “…lest the whole thread devolve into a pointless argument about whether the NDP or Liberals have sold out more by supporting Harper on various phony “confidence” votes in the past…”

    I do not think it matters which party was “guiltier”.

    They both did it, so really no one has any right to point the finger at the other.

    Pointless indeed.

  70. jay

    The NDP has worked with the LPC in the past and on a very few occassions (accountability legislation i believe) the CPC. What drives the NDP has been the issues as much as political benefit.

    Martin could have had the support of the NDP had he been willing to forgo corporate tax cuts and instead focused on a real fix to health care.

    I would never say that the NDP doesn’t factor in the politics of its choices, it would be doing a disservice to its supporters if it did.

    Red – I don’t know if stats would bear out the notion that the NDP have supported or propped up the Cons as often as the LPC has in the current and last session.

    I would agree that it is pointless to look back since for me the LPC sign off on this budget absolutely blows all other support or abstention out of the water given the current stakes.

  71. That’s fair enough.

    I certainly can’t make a compelling case for supporting the LPC at this point in time. The best I can say at the moment is that I hope perhaps they’re not entirely beyond redemption. ;)

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