Gaza & the Warsaw Ghetto

From the YouTube video description: George Galloway condemns the “pathetic” “puppet” Arab leaders and compares the “ineffectual” but essential Palestinian resistance in Gaza to the Jewish resistance against the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto during World War II.

“The Palestinians have a choice of dying quietly of hunger and disease on their knees, or deciding to die noisily on their feet. It’s an age-old dilemma, and it was faced most comparably by the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, who were locked up in a ghetto by the Nazi occupiers of Poland and were systematically starved to death…”

The photos in the video show the current 2009 Israeli bombardment of Gaza alongside photos of Jewish civilians and Nazi soldiers in the Warsaw Ghetto during World War II.The audio is an excerpt from George Galloway’s talkshow on Talksport Radio, recorded 2 January 2009.

Update: Related to the above, veteran Labour MP Sir Gerald Kaufman speaking out last week in a debate about the conflict in Gaza.

Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants “was the reply of the Nazi” and added: “I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants.”

He went on to accuse the Israeli government of seeking “conquest” and added: “They are not simply war criminals, they are fools.”

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34 responses to “Gaza & the Warsaw Ghetto

  1. Thanks for the link, RT. Extremely sad, and on so many levels. I’m thinking of that article from the Union Juive Française pour la Paix about the second death of Judaism.

    Here is a new report from CBS’ Bob Simon in case you have not seen it yet. Absolutely dreadful!

  2. Bryan

    It’s an age-old dilemma, and it was faced most comparably by the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, who were locked up in a ghetto by the Nazi occupiers of Poland and were systematically starved to death…”

    I guess the rest of us missed the part in history where the Jews in Germany called for the destruction of Germany and began firing rockets into civilian areas and blowing themselves up on buses.

    You’ve said it yourself before Red, the Israel-Palestinian conflict is very complicated, and indeed it is. How trite to compare it to Nazi Germany’s institutionalized murder of 6 million innocent citizens.

    Get your ass down to the Holocaust Museum in DC, or if you’ve been, pull your head out.

    If your so intent on connecting present day events to the Nazi’s, a more appropriate bit of history might be fact that the Sunni Muslim Cleric, leading the Palestinian cause in the 30′s and 40′s, fought with the Nazi Waffen SS and repeatedly called for the German army to bomb Tel Aviv.

    The only ones in this dispute, who have ever aligned themselves with the Nazi’s are the Palestinians.

  3. Obviously Galloway isn’t comparing it to the systemic murder of 6 million Jews.

    Stop being such a knob.

  4. Gene — Yes, I did watch that on 60 Minutes earlier tonight. It echoed many of the same themes in that film Robert had recommended on the previous thread.

  5. Ian

    Bryan, your reference to Haj Amin el-Husseini has nothing to do with the situation in Gaza today. It’s not in the least bit apropo to the discussion.

    Making an analogy, the way Gallaway does, between the Warsaw Ghetto and the Gaza of today while argueably quite apt and appropriate, has nothing to do with acusing the Isreali govt of being Nazis either.

    Make that a feckless knob.

  6. Ian

    scuse the typos…getting too late for me, I’m out.

  7. Bryan

    Ian,

    It has everything to do with the conflict in Gaza today. That’s what the conflict in Gaza today is about: Jews versus Arabs. Isaac and Ishmael. Learn some history punk.

  8. Ian

    “That’s what the conflict in Gaza today is about: Jews versus Arabs.“

    Thanks for the edification B- boy. I am truly gobsmacked. Why did I not know about this before?

  9. leftfoot

    Not a bad comparison. Warsaw lessons were taught well, it appears.

  10. Thanks RT. I have been using this comparison for some weeks now. Never came across that footage however.

    How long can you starve a people before they rise against?

  11. “Isaac and Ishmael. Learn some history punk.”

    That isn’t history, its mythology. And its not Arabs versus Jews, its a battle over territory. There are Jews and Arabs on both sides of this, and both sides are using religion and ethnicity as wedges to dehumanize the other side.

    And the comparison of tactics is completely apt. Do you think if the residents of the Warsaw Ghetto had access to missiles, they wouldn’t have lobbed them into German civilian areas and called for the destruction of Germany?

    It is all they have.

    Once again it needs to be said, lobbing a few ineffectual missiles does not give Israel the right to indiscriminately bomb civilians. Period. Just as it would be if the tables were turned – if Israelis were lobbing ineffectual missiles at a surrounding Arab country, they would not have the right to indiscriminately bomb civilians.

    The greatest horror of all this is that it was likely done in order to try and help Livini beat Netanyahu in the upcoming elections.

  12. Ti-Guy

    That isn’t history, its mythology.

    Bryan doesn’t know the difference and never will.

  13. James — I know it’s not exactly a novel observation, but I’ve been struck by certain parallels between the two situations (of course they’re not identical in many respects also… I didn’t think I needed to spell that out, but I guess I should have for the benefit of people like Bryan). Anyway, I was looking for some footage on the Warsaw Ghetto and… voila! found this ready-made comparison.

    Galloway can be a bit dodgy and overly radical for my tastes, but sometimes he’s bang on (as with his appearance before the U.S. Senate where he gave Norm Coleman a good verbal thrashing).

  14. He left out the analogy of people in Warsaw crawling through sewers to find food and supplies.

    Remind me what they have to do in Gaza again?

    Oh….tunnels?

  15. Heh. That was going to be my next post.

  16. Anon

    No one is starving in Gaza.

    Red Cross reprots plenty of food in the wharehouses.

    What you do Curran by spreading such a myth that people are starving in Gaza is to make people hate Israel and Jews.
    You have constantly vilified Israel for 4 weeks or your blog and others.
    You don’t like being called it but clearly you have become and bona fide anti-semite.
    You target Israel and nothing but.

  17. Shut up you anonymous coward. You want to debate? Debate with a face like I do and others here do.

    I guess we can all assume then that nobody was starving in Warsaw either. While we’re at it coward, tell us how bulldozing an orange orchard fits the bill as a military target.

    Coward.

  18. Anon

    A reprot on Jan 8th in the midst of war about 15 individuals out of a population in the millions is not evidence of starvation amongst the population.

    It is tragic that those individuals were trapped and aid did not get to them but it had nothing to do with food not being available in Gaza.

    Now you can call me names all you want (it speaks more about you then me) or you can debate with maturity and reason.

  19. AnonySteve — What part of “fuck off” don’t you understand?

    Debate with maturity? You provide nothing but baseless opinions, warmed over propaganda and… you called me an anti-Semite.

    So again, go fuck yourself.

  20. Anon

    Red:

    Read my post again, it is directed at Curran, not you.

    Take a breath.

    Bottom line, food is available, no one starves in Gaza. To say otherwise is to mislead.

  21. Here. Allow me RT.

    Anon. Fuck off.

    You’re a coward. Fuck off.

    And that’s Mr. Curran to you.

  22. anon

    Who Mr. Curran you certainly defend yourself well – NOT!!!!

    You always seem to resort to blasting profanities when your arguments don`t hold.

    It is the final defence of the meek and weak.

  23. Look, I don’t know how this starvation thing started, but it probably wasn’t meant in the literal sense. It’s my understanding that aid agencies are “allowed” by Israel to bring into Gaza the equivalent of whatever the UN minimal caloric intake for daily subsistence is times the number of people. What humanitarians. So, no… most people wouldn’t literally be starving (although apparently there are a handful of them), but in the figurative sense, the people of Gaza are most certainly being starved.

    I have to say that it seems fairly reprehensible for someone to quibble over such things from the comfort of Mom and Dad’s basement, or wherever it is you blog from brave ANONYMOUS.

  24. CWTF

    We knew that the 1.5 million inhabitants of Gaza were being starved, as the U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food had found that acute malnutrition in Gaza was on the same scale as in the poorest nations in the southern Sahara, with more than half of all Palestinian families eating only one meal a day.
    After about a month, the Egyptians and Hamas informed us that all military action by both sides and all rocket firing would stop on June 19, for a period of six months, and that humanitarian supplies would be restored to the normal level that had existed before Israel’s withdrawal in 2005 (about 700 trucks daily).
    Jimmy Carter
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010702645.html

  25. CWTF

    So Anon, how about getting a twobyclue…. Israel is committing crimes. I’m really tired of apologists who have an agenda that basically says “Israel can do no wrong”….

  26. Ian

    Gawd, the arrival of anon makes me long for the return of Bryan. What a mendacious and cowardly prick. Feh!

  27. Anon

    Perhaps this explains why help could not get to those who required it on Jan 8th.

    javascript:ol(‘http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/hamas-tried-to-hijack-ambulances-during-gaza-war/2009/01/25/1232818246374.html?page%3dfullpage%23contentSwap1′);

    PS. Still amazed at the low maturity of the level of discourse of JCWTF and now James Curran who has gone from a reasoned and interesting blogger to a foul mouthed angry blogger.

  28. Dear Coward – er, I mean anon. I’m quite certain that if I agreed with this ridiculous military action by Israel you’d be my #1 fan.

    Anyhow, who really gives a shit what your opinion is? Nobody even knows who you are. Therefore, nobody really cares.

  29. CWTF

    Anon, we were on the discussion of collective punishment via starvation. Israel is committing that act.
    All you can do to rebuke, is post a where the title may have caught your eye (I doubt that you have read the article). Nice diversion and totally irrelevant to the discussion.

    Now go and suck on the bunghole of Israeli propaganda….

  30. Anon

    Another two mature responses from wtf and Curran.

    Speaks volumes to your character traits not mine.

    Curran go to a mike at the Vancouver convention with that attitude and see how far it gets you.

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