Faith Down: Most Defining Moment

In what might possibly be regarded in many ways as the most clearly “defining moment” from yesterday’s forum at the Saddleback mega-church, Pastor Rick Warren asked each candidate: “Does evil exist, and if so, do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, or do we defeat it?”

The difference of the two responses couldn’t have been more vivid and perhaps says a great deal about each of the candidates and their worldview.

Putting it down in writing perhaps illustrates the contrast even more strikingly:

Obama:

Evil does exist. I mean, we see evil all the time. We see evil in Darfur. We see evil, sadly, on the streets of our cities. We see evil in parents who have viciously abused their children and I think it has to be confronted. It has to be confronted squarely and one of the things that I strongly believe is that, you know, we are not going to, as individuals, be able to erase evil from the world — that’s God’s task. But we can be soldiers I that process and we can confront it when we see it.

Now, the one thing that I think is very important is for us to have some humility in how we approach the issue of confronting evil, but you know, a lot of evil has been perpetrated based on the claim that we were trying to confront evil… in the name of good. And I think one thing that’s very important is having some humility in recognizing that, you know, just because we think our intentions are good, doesn’t always mean that we’re going to be doing good.

McCain:

Defeat it.

There in a nutshell, for better or worse, is the difference between “liberals” and so-called “conservatives” in my opinion.

Note: In honesty, I’ve cheated a bit there (as did Fox News and/or the editor of the YouTube video), because shortly after waiting for the rousing applause to die down, McCain followed up his response by delivering his now standard spiel about chasing Bin Laden to the “gates of Hell.”

18 Replies to “Faith Down: Most Defining Moment”

  1. Yep…there is the difference in a nutshell.
    Obama talks his way around an issue without saying anything. McCain has a simple, direct and effective approach.

  2. Obama talks his way around an issue without saying anything. McCain has a simple, direct and effective approach.

    How convenient. Here’s an example of evil; an individual who deliberately runs away from the mind he was born with (perhaps gifted with by God?) to dismiss something, thoughtful, carefully articulated and most importantly, easily understood, to embrace a platitude that has no hope whatsoever of being of any practical use in the real world.

    Defeat evil? In your dreams you stupid wingnut.

    I agree with ATY; it is a sad spectacle that a polity requires that its politicians address the topic of evil, which has very little meaning outside discussions of morality, which are far beyond what people require to make good democratic choices.

  3. Simple, direct and effective = dumb as a sack of hammers.

    Effective? Exactly where are the “Gates of Hell” and why is McCain waiting to get there to throttle Bin Laden to death? He claims to know exactly where he is (kind of like Rummy “knew precisely” where the WMDs in Iraq were), so what’s the hold up there, Paul?

  4. Simple, direct and effective = dumb as a sack of hammers.

    Not only dumb, but wilfully so. You don’t have to agree with what Obama said to at least acknowledge that it’s not hard to understand…a child could grasp that simple lesson in morality. To characterise it as “talking around an issue without saying nothing” could only come from someone who is very unintelligent or who’s going out of his way to lie.

    So which is it, Paul. Stupid or Liar?

  5. The only thing dumber than the question was McCain’s ‘answer’.

    If ‘evil’ is the opposite of ‘good’, and if ‘evil’ were ‘defeated’, then what would be the opposite of ‘good’?

  6. I know who I would vote for based on those two answers (Obama of course). Unfortunately, I also know who fundamentalist Christians would vote for.

  7. McCain has a simple, direct and effective approach.

    True, but I wonder if it was direct enough. There’s something soft about that response that may turn off significant portions of his red-state base.

    I think he would have been wiser to answer the question by having a platoon of pneumatically breasted, platinum-blonde cheerleaders nail him to a cross while a nearby chorus of Kentucky National Guardsmen led the assembly in a rendition of “God Bless America”. While his crucified body was hoisted into the air, messiah-like, he could have passed water upon a freshly killed Iraqi insurgent delivered directly from Baghdad, thus ratifying humanity’s conquest of evil by symbolically anointing the project with middle America’s holy urine (and collaterally giving purpose and dignity to McCain’s rapidly failing continence).

    Now that’s what Cletus wants to see…

  8. to dismiss something, thoughtful, carefully articulated and most importantly, easily understood, to embrace a platitude that has no hope whatsoever of being of any practical use in the real world.

    Funny you should have as your avitar Lady Thatcher, who would no doubt agree with McCain and not Obama, who, like Paul said, talked around the issue in an attempt to say nothing, but his non-answer belied the underlying truth he was trying to hide.

    The question was “Does evil exist, and if so, do we ignore it, do we negotiate with it, do we contain it, or do we defeat it”

    I will give him credit that he at least acknowledged it exists unlike his morally-relativistic base who only see evil in anyone that opposes their naked political ambition to dictate life to everyone else, but then returned to his standard equivocation and refused to answer the question.

    Thoughtful? Lol. Only in that it was evasive. What a load of crap. Confront? So, does that mean we negotiate with it, contain it or defeat it? He won’t say. Only that we should humble ourselves in the face of evil in answer to a congregation that believes we should humble ourselves before God. Yeah! Thats thoughtful! lol. What an ass!

    Yes, evil exists, and history has taught us that doing our best to defeat it is the only moral answer. And yes, it was very practical, Ti-Guy, when we defeated Hitler, defeated Mussolini, defeated Tojo’s Japan, defeated the Soviet Union, defeated slavery in the United States.

    And for confirmation, we need only look at the times we have not defeated evil. North Korea where millions live in tyranny and millions more have died at the hands of it, where those who have escaped tell us of mass starvation and cannibalism, North Vietnam where the left snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and millions died in both North Vietnam and the killing fields of cambodia as a result, The Soviet Union prior to Ronald Reagan where 150 million were slaughtered in the name of the state while we equivocated, Iraq prior to George Bush where Saddam killed millions, invaded his neighbors 5 times, used WMD on his own people, fed his people into industrial shredders, tortured tens if not hundreds of thousands, where his sons raped and tortured for sport — where Barack Obama would have had us leave long ago, leaving a fledgling democracy and ally that has asked us to stay until they can protect themselves and sacrifice the new found freedom and democracy that we paid for at great cost, that the Iraqi people have chosen at the polls to the enemies of Iraq, to civil and regional war, to brand new killing fields — instead of establishing peace and the rule of law as has now been and is being done.

    It is no wonder that the left is so reluctant to recognize evil when so very much of it has come from different gradations of the Statism they prefer. And as a result, like Obama with the surge, like the Democrat party with the Soviet Union, with “star wars”, with the arms race, the left has been wrong on every issue of national security and defeating evil since you McGovernites destroyed that once great party so many decades ago.

  9. Quite the fairy tale.

    Iraq prior to George Bush where Saddam killed millions, invaded his neighbors 5 times, used WMD on his own people, fed his people into industrial shredders, tortured tens if not hundreds of thousands, where his sons raped and tortured for sport

    You mean the Iraq that Ronald Reagan backed in one of the invasions you allude to and supplied with chemical weapons… that Iraq?

    McGovernites? LOL Priceless.

  10. That cheeky chappie seems to think you’re an American, and a Democrat to boot. I guess you’re supposed to take that as a compliment.

    You are getting soft in your old age, though, Red. Some time ago, you’d have met an ogrish rant like that with, “Fuck right off, you microcephalic simian”.

    I guess we young ‘uns shall have to pick up the torch.

    Yoo hoo, American Elephant: fuck right off, you microcephalic simian.

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