The Saddleback “Faith Down”

Gosh, I’m all-a-tingle at the prospect of Barack Obama and John McCain sharing a stage later this afternoon with evangelical Pastor Rick Warren at the Saddleback mega-church in Orange County, California. Who can pander to superstitious ignorance and look the most sincere and heartfelt doing it?

The folks at Little Green Footballs (who are liveblogging and “comment swarming” the event) have tossed out a delicious teaser, wondering whether Warren, who’s church promotes “hard core creationism” will raise the topic of evolution. Given it’s understood that, unlike Warren and his followers, neither candidate subscribes to the crackpot notion that the earth was literally created in seven days and that dinosaurs and humans co-existed, it would certainly be most interesting to see how that particular issue might be handled. Oh, and their thoughts about adultery would be a fun subject too!

10 Replies to “The Saddleback “Faith Down””

  1. That church is something else. It’s branded its services and offers them like different spa treatments or different themed suites in a honeymoon resort:

    Main Service, Praise, OverDrive, Ohana, Elevation, Passion, El Encuentro and Traditions

    Jesus Christ is going to be soooo pissed when he comes back.

  2. Psst…..Christ was a Liberal

    Why is Jesus a Liberal?

    Webster’s dictionary defines a Liberal as one who is open minded, not
    strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or
    ways. Jesus was a pluralist Liberal who taught that one need not
    conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion, and life. He
    rejected greed, violence, the glorification of power, the amassing of
    wealth without social balance, and the personal judging of others, their
    lifestyles and beliefs.

    Over and over again, He taught us to believe in and live a spiritual and
    ethical life based in our essential, inherent goodness. What Jesus
    promoted was succinct set of spiritual principals and a way of life
    based upon the of love, compassion, tolerance, and a strong belief in
    the importance in giving and of generosity to those in need.

    …do you know of any right-wing wackos that fit into the above?

  3. “They’ve even super-sized the pews for the more saftig worshipper.”

    …from an episode of Simpsons, which I THOUGHT was satire when I watched it.

    I hope I live long enough to these heretical monstrosities lying in ruins.

  4. Warren may be a fundamentalist, and may go to a materialistic megachurch, but he agrees with a lot of you on many of the issues, such as AIDS, poverty, and global warming. Asides from his evangelical religious beliefs, he fits the bill of “liberal” on most issues. In fact, I think that Warren would agree with RuralSandi for the most part on who Jesus was.

  5. Rick Warren is a good enough coalition builder run for office himself.

    He really does have an intriguing method.

  6. I have to say that I enjoyed this “forum” a heck of a lot more than any of those sham “debates” that we all had to suffer through for endless months during the primaries.

  7. First I have watched of any of the US campaign, it was a good forum.
    The big fight in the US is for the religious left.
    That’s something the Dippers yipped about before the 2006 election, but of course, here, religion is a taboo subject.
    Too bad Dion is not a church goer. The religious left is there for the pickin’s

  8. Wilson – you don’t kow what Dion’s religious beliefs are, nor do you know the man.

    People in Canada have become more spiritual ….but not moving towards organized religion.

    By the way – Christ did not believe in money-making organized religion:

    Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other
    sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
    he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
    all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will
    be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

    By the way, I am NOT a Bible thumper, but when the religious right started interfering in Canadian politics I decided to look into things. The hypocracy of the religious zealots is unbelievable.

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