Not “Turning the Corner”

Climate Action Network Canada reacts to yesterday’s CBC news report that Canada is planning NOT to meet its already rather weak carbon emission reduction targets.

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56 responses to “Not “Turning the Corner”

  1. Turning the corner into a cul-de-sac.

  2. billg

    In a 100 words or less, and, without shutting down or greatly reducing the two largest C02 emitters in Canada, the Oil Sands and Ontario’s Coal Fired Electricity Plants, how would Canada greatly reduce our C02 emissions?

  3. Guzzeuntite

    “In a 100 words or less, and, without shutting down or greatly reducing the two largest C02 emitters in Canada, the Oil Sands and Ontario’s Coal Fired Electricity Plants, how would Canada greatly reduce our C02 emissions?”

    In four words:

    “Freeze over and die.”

    Very likely to happen in the coming ice age.

  4. Ti-Guy

    I love Ms. Soudas’s high dudgeon. Thinned lips, arms akimbo…”This isn’t FUNNY!”

    That’s one unhappy catamite.

  5. Considering almost all of the oil from the tar-sands is exported to the USA, how exactly would we freeze without it?

  6. billg

    Its not the exported oil from Alberta its the 10′s of billions of transfer money that all of Canada would have to live without…yearly.

  7. Ti-Guy

    Its not the exported oil from Alberta its the 10’s of billions of transfer money that all of Canada would have to live without…yearly.

    Oh, here we go…

  8. …so instead, Alberta and the rest of Canada would be forced to make things, or add value to things instead of pulling stuff out of the ground and shipping it elsewhere to add value…

    I am all for it.

  9. Ti-Guy

    Careful, or billg will cut yer transfer…

  10. billg

    …oh here we go…
    I know reality is a pain in the ass, but, it would be nice to hear some kind of an answer to a very simple question. There just seems to be so many people wanting Canada to get to a level of emissions but they want someone else to figure out a way to do it. And..what exactly is a “green” job, and, where are they?

  11. Ti-Guy

    I actually don’t even care about Canada’s emissions. With 2% of the total, it’s not like we’re going to make a difference, one way or the other.

    I don’t appreciate unleashing the ‘Bertans to embarrass us, though, by funding deniers and trolls and undermining the deliberative process that lead to international accords.

    The international backlash against the tar sands is mounting and, sad to say, the ‘Bertans have burned too many bridges with the rest of the country for any of us to give a damn.

    Too bad, so sad.

  12. Alberta is going to cross this bridge eventually anyway. There is only so much recoverable oil in the ground and once its gone Alberta go back to being a farming province like it was (with marginal farmland at that.)

  13. Gee Bill, if it wasn’t for all of those transfer payments I guess Canadians would have to live on a smaller budget, wouldn’t they? I would thought the prospect of a more limited government would have pleased you… ;)

  14. Navvy

    Funny how Newfoundlanders and Saskatchewanians can have such abundant natural resources and not be such dicks about.

  15. billg

    Canadians would never accept living on a smaller budget, but, it would be fun to watch the debate.
    I actually support big government and unions.
    We seem to have billions in bialouts and stimulus dollars every 20 years or, so, are not PS jobs the ultimate in stimulus? I never understood why right wing politicians always want to cut PS jobs and at the same time bail out corporations to the tune of billions. And Navvy….I’m sure in 20 years Sask and Nfld will both be tired of “thanks for the cash and the oil but you should be ashamed of what you’ve done to the planet”…

  16. Guzzeuntite

    Oh, no! I agree with Ti-Guy:

    “I actually don’t even care about Canada’s emissions.” — Ti-Guy.

    The end of the world is neigh.

  17. Navvy

    Actually I wasn’t talking about environmental views bill. If Albertans want to mess up their province who am I to protest? I was talking about more general dickedness. Inflated sense of self-worth and an unshakeable belief that they got to where they are today through sheer determination and elbow-grease, rather than the fact that you can’t squat in Alberta without having a gusher up the arse.

  18. TofKW

    “And..what exactly is a “green” job, and, where are they?”

    Green Jobs Canada

  19. billg

    I’ve met a few like that Navvy, but, they certainly are not the norm. I looked at that website TofKW and the majority of those jobs were around 30 years ago…camping guides, cooks, fisheries, there were some that can be linked to a green economy but very few. If 100,000 people were to leave the oil patch’s in Alberta and Saskatchewan and Newfoundland in the next 20 years, what would the new green jobs be?

  20. Guzzeuntite

    “The end of the world is ‘neigh’”?!

    Talk about the horsemen of the apocalypse!

    Why didn’t any of you geniuses catch that? For shame.

  21. Ti-Guy

    I don’t think in terms of “green jobs” but a green (ie. sustainable) economy which will have to imply zero-growth economics. Not that’s there’s fat chance of seeing *that* in my lifetime.

  22. billg

    That I agree with Ti-Guy!

  23. Guzzeuntite

    “I don’t think in terms of “green jobs” but a green (ie. sustainable) economy which will have to imply zero-growth economics.” — Ti-Guy

    Have we got a prezeedent for you. He’s got NEGATIVE growth economic goin’ on. Life is good. Less carbon emissions. Birds are tying ribbons in little girls’ hair. All that jazz.

    America is greening up!

    Not so much to hate now, eh, Ti-Guy?

    America the Green:

    O beautiful for cooling skies,
    For no more acid rains.
    For Gaia loving prints on tees
    Worn by annoying pains!
    America! America!
    Earth shed her grace on thee
    With decreasing good; no burning wood
    But sustainability!

  24. “The end of the world is neigh.”

    spoken like a true jackass.

    KEvron

  25. billg

    100 years ago Guzz it was unthinkable to believe that some day no matter what your lott in life was you would be able to access a doctor, or, buy a house, or send your kids to college, have two days off every week….zero growth has to happen sooner or later and I’d rather it be sooner then later. It wont be in my life time but diminishing it seems rather foolish and simplistic.

  26. Guzzeuntite

    “spoken like a true jackass.” — KEvron

    HEe HAw! MOst Excellent, KEvron!

    – THe FIrst HOrseman OF THe APocalypse.

  27. Guzzeuntite

    “zero growth has to happen sooner or later and I’d rather it be sooner then later.”

    Sure it’s called stagnation. Look at the green paradises that were or are the Soviet Union, East Germany, or North Korea.

    You, for one, welcome our new watermelon overlords.

    “It wont be in my life time but diminishing it seems rather foolish and simplistic.”

    It’s been in your lifetime. And it sucks.

  28. Ti-Guy

    Uh, zero-growth isn’t incompatible with a free market economy, Einstein..

  29. Guzzeuntite

    Uh, yes it is, Friedman.

  30. Guzzeuntite

    Specifically:

    “Zero-growth economic policies are most certainly incompatible with free-market principles, in that they entail the coercive forces of governmental actions to tamp down economic dynamics in certain chosen areas of the market. This necessarily leads to systemic inefficiencies.” — Milton Friedman, June 1979.

  31. Guzzeuntite

    See above.

  32. “….and he rode out to troll.”

    KEvron

  33. “See above.”

    nice tautology, but i think ti-guy would like you to expand on your c&p.

    KEvron

  34. Ti-Guy

    but i think ti-guy would like you to expand on your c&p.

    I kind of don’t, actually. I can imagine what the assault on a multitude of sensibilities would be.

    Serves me right for engaging it.

  35. Guzzeuntite

    And I watched as the eco-friendly savior opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a white horse! “Neighhhhhh!” Its rider held a memory flash drive of AGW modeling code, and he was given a Nobel Peace Prize, and he rode out as a Scientist bent on establishing sustainable macro-economic policies.

  36. Guzzeuntite

    “but i think ti-guy would like you to expand on your c&p.” KEvron

    “I kind of don’t, actually. I can imagine what the assault on a multitude of sensibilities would be.” — Ti-Guy.

    Instead, why don’t you explain to me how Friedman, a prize-winning economist, is wrong, and how YOU, an anonymous commenter from North Ontarioio with no known credentials, is right?

  37. “Serves me right for engaging it.”

    i keep telling you guys….

    KEvron

  38. “Instead, why don’t you explain to me”

    you give him anything more than a c&p, without any elaboration, and i’ll clobber you.

    KEvron

  39. Guzzeuntite

    WHY IS THe ONus ON ME, KEvron, TO REfute TI-GUy’s BAseless ASsertion THat ZEro-GRowth EConomics ARe NOt INcompatible WIth A FRee MArket EConomy?

    I did more that my fair share by quoting Friedman’s argument that sustaining zero-growth will necessarily entail government intervention in the market, which will result in market inefficiencies.

    There, i just answered his question. Now maybe he will answer mine. (NEver FEar KEvron, I WOn’t HOld MY BReath!)

  40. “I did more that my fair share”

    “troll” it is, then.

    KEvron

  41. Guzzeuntite

    OK. YOu OUghta KNow.

  42. how so? oh, no, that’s been tried….

    KEvron

  43. “I WOn’t HOld MY BReath”

    maybe next time, then.

    KEvron

  44. Guzzeuntite

    YOu DO HOpe AGainst ALl HOpe.

  45. then i’ll have to take my victories where i can get them.

    KEvron

  46. Guzzeuntite

    HOping IS NOt a WInning STrategy, KEvron.

  47. hm. that’s the second time on this thread you’ve introduced a notion, then denied ownership.

    KEvron

  48. Guzzeuntite

    I THink YOu ARe ONe CONfused ARtiste, KEvron. I DEnied OWnership OF NOthing. I SEek ONly TO ENlighten THe Benighted.

    IN ANy EVent, THe INtroduction OF A THing DOes NOt IMply OWnership OF THe THing.

  49. “BEnighted”

    KEvron

  50. Guzzeuntite

    OOps. THanks.

  51. Ti-Guy

    Jesus Christ, shaddap, Guzz, you asshole.

  52. benalbanach

    Friedman was economic advisor to Ronald Reagan.
    Hm……I’ll take Einstein then given the choice.

  53. Guzzeuntite

    You WOULD choose Einstein as an economist, Banal.

  54. Ti-Guy

    You WOULD choose Einstein as an economist…

    At this juncture, most people would.

  55. Guzzeuntite

    Mark Francis would call that a “factless assertion.”

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