“these guys wipe the floor with Ikon, Kanye, and Little Wayne. ”
Tomm, these guys are bad. Take it from someone who as been a fan of rap since 1980, these guys are bad. No skill, no flow, but hey, at least they wore shoes this time. That’s tight.
There are some hip hop artists that are capable of properly addressing their particular cultural and social tension intelligently without succumbing to corporate temptations which inevitably accentuate the ridiculous violent or hypermacho imagery that most people associate with mainstream hip hop or r&b.
These guys are, without any understanding of irony, appropriating what began as a vehicle for expressing cultural and social disenfranchisement, and subverting it upon itself to empower their particular point of view, and, by extension, the entrenched power structure that they belong to.
Rap isn’t my favourite style of music (more of a metal/goth/classical fan), but there are good rappers out there. A favourite is Sage Francis’ “Makeshift Patriot” about 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtNMly0aDUk
Mr. Lif is another “underground” rapper with good work, and for us atheists, check out Greydon Square.
Rap is where rock and metal were in the mid-80s: full of posturing and testosterone, misogyny and materialism, and appealing to suburban white guys with no taste. Eventually there will be a “grunge” moment for rap that will bring it back to the thoughtful political lyrics we started seeing in the late 80s/early 90s before the “gangstas” took over.
I like how he says “we want to spread our love” and then slaps his buddy on the shoulder. Yeah, spread your love, boys. Just forget about marriage…
Well, all I can say is that it’s high time white gangsta rappers from Dartmouth started shoutin’ out about the capital gains tax.
TWA – teabaggers with attitude
They’re some kind of baggers…
RT, you said:
“Well, all I can say is that it’s high time white gangsta rappers from Dartmouth started shoutin’ out about the capital gains tax.”
I’m with you. I’ve got a 16 year old in the house and these guys wipe the floor with Ikon, Kanye, and Little Wayne.
If I’ve gotta listen listen to rap, make it the Young Cons. (i.e. YCs).
Of couse, if I don’t have to listen to rap at all…
Best keyboard cat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ0nE1u7cv4
Also, Tomm, most rap does suck, these days, because it is essentially conservative propaganda (“I’m gonna get mine”, “look out for number one”, etc).
This is pretty decent, though. Saul Williams is good stuff.
“these guys wipe the floor with Ikon, Kanye, and Little Wayne. ”
Tomm, these guys are bad. Take it from someone who as been a fan of rap since 1980, these guys are bad. No skill, no flow, but hey, at least they wore shoes this time. That’s tight.
On this week’s Real Time Meghan McCain called them “appalling” and “lame” — descriptions I would entirely concur with.
either tomm’s passive aggression is on full display or his taste is in his ass.
i concede that the two possibilities are not mutually exclusive….
KEvron
I’m a hip hop fan. These guys hate it.
This is terrible, terrible music.
You’ve outed me.
I am definitely NOT a hip hop / rap fan. I find the stuff self-ish, without much lyrical merit, and often so bad it makes me want to squirm.
But, as I said, my kid likes it, so I am forced to grin and bear it. We usually cut deals on car trips.
There are some hip hop artists that are capable of properly addressing their particular cultural and social tension intelligently without succumbing to corporate temptations which inevitably accentuate the ridiculous violent or hypermacho imagery that most people associate with mainstream hip hop or r&b.
These guys are, without any understanding of irony, appropriating what began as a vehicle for expressing cultural and social disenfranchisement, and subverting it upon itself to empower their particular point of view, and, by extension, the entrenched power structure that they belong to.
On top of it all, they do a piss-poor job of it.
Rap isn’t my favourite style of music (more of a metal/goth/classical fan), but there are good rappers out there. A favourite is Sage Francis’ “Makeshift Patriot” about 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtNMly0aDUk
Mr. Lif is another “underground” rapper with good work, and for us atheists, check out Greydon Square.
Rap is where rock and metal were in the mid-80s: full of posturing and testosterone, misogyny and materialism, and appealing to suburban white guys with no taste. Eventually there will be a “grunge” moment for rap that will bring it back to the thoughtful political lyrics we started seeing in the late 80s/early 90s before the “gangstas” took over.
For the record, these two jokers stink.